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Re: Tropical Depression 4,Discussions,Analysis and Sat Pics

#901 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:53 am

jaxfladude wrote:Well, one OF my local TV stations just lead off their 10pm Newscast with..........................yuo guessed it..................TD#4!!!
THE MEDIA HYPE IS OFFICIALLY UNDERWAY!!! :x

That's funny, because the American media here (south of the boarder) is under-hyping TD4 quite a bit. WDIV makes no talk of it at all, and even flat out says nothing is going on (in the Atlantic)! They focused in on Hurricane Flossie way more, and for good reason.
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#902 Postby MWatkins » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:57 am

UKMET is WAY south and west from the last run:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... wtnt80.txt

The first long-tracker in almost 3 years is going to try the patience of many...

MW
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#903 Postby AJC3 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:00 am

MWatkins wrote:UKMET is WAY south and west from the last run:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... wtnt80.txt

The first long-tracker in almost 3 years is going to try the patience of many...

MW


Interesting that it inits the system at 11.0N.
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#904 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:00 am

MWatkins wrote:UKMET is WAY south and west from the last run:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... wtnt80.txt

The first long-tracker in almost 3 years is going to try the patience of many...

MW

As a wise man once wrote... :uarrow: :uarrow:
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#905 Postby Brent » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:03 am

MWatkins wrote:UKMET is WAY south and west from the last run:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... wtnt80.txt

The first long-tracker in almost 3 years is going to try the patience of many...

MW


:double:

I guess I picked the wrong week to quit drinking. :ggreen:
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#906 Postby PTrackerLA » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:03 am

MWatkins wrote:UKMET is WAY south and west from the last run:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/tro ... wtnt80.txt

The first long-tracker in almost 3 years is going to try the patience of many...

MW


Wow, that is WAYYY south. I've been having a gut feeling this one will track through the Caribbean, we shall see.
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#907 Postby Fego » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:04 am

Thanks for the info MW, ummm... any graphic from UKMT?
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#908 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:04 am

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#909 Postby Scorpion » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:07 am

I don't see how the LLC can be partly exposed.. it looks like it would be under the convection according to that sat pic
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#910 Postby Andrew92 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:07 am

Dean later this morning, perhaps? Trying, anyway.

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#911 Postby Andrew92 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:09 am

Although I will say, the media SHOULD NOT CURRENTLY be hyping up a mere depression at is AT LEAST 4-5 days from striking the Caribbean and isn't even a named storm yet. ANYTHING can happen with this little rascal out there.

Watch it, yes. Hype it up, no.

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#912 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:10 am

Scorpion wrote:I don't see how the LLC can be partly exposed.. it looks like it would be under the convection according to that sat pic


It looks that way to me too, but ADT center estimates say otherwise:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/adt/04L.GIF
From: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/adt/odt04L.html
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#913 Postby Andrew92 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:14 am

Chris_in_Tampa wrote:
Scorpion wrote:I don't see how the LLC can be partly exposed.. it looks like it would be under the convection according to that sat pic


It looks that way to me too, but ADT center estimates say otherwise:
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/adt/04L.GIF
From: http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/adt/odt04L.html


OK, I see what the discussions were saying earlier now after seeing this image. Still, I would not be at all surprised if this does become Dean in the late morning. It IS trying. I do think we will have Dean sometime on Tuesday.

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Re: Global Models for TD4

#914 Postby PTrackerLA » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:14 am

Fego wrote:Thanks for the info MW, ummm... any graphic from UKMT?


Animated Loop

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.c ... =Animation
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#915 Postby RL3AO » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:15 am

If that is right, the center isn't even close to the convection.
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Re: Tropical Depression 4,Discussions,Analysis and Sat Pics

#916 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:17 am

I would say that the center is still exposed...

TD 4 is still undergoing 10-20kts of shear currently. Lets not think that the same thing, that was going on earlier will get different results.

Also you guys are crazy, if you think that trough is gonna kick this thing out...

After the trough goes by the Ridge will, build back in.

Better pay attention to this one...

it's 4-5 days to the Caribbean.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/atlantic/winds/wg8shr.html
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#917 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:17 am

It appears to me almost like there is two lows in this thing, perhaps the broad center is what they will go with for now. Take a look at several IR NRL images and you might see what I am talking about.

Until it can sort out what it wants to spin around, it is going to have some issues. Speed, shear, and dry air, should abate in a day or two and then we'll have something more than what we have now.
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Re: Global Models for TD4

#918 Postby SouthFloridawx » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:19 am

PTrackerLA wrote:
Fego wrote:Thanks for the info MW, ummm... any graphic from UKMT?


Animated Loop

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cgi-bin/ukmtc2.c ... =Animation

Something doesn't seem right about the ukmet.
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WXMANN amateur fcsts for TD 4 (#1: strong Cat 2 into PR)

#919 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:22 am

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

NOTE: I hope to do some type of verification with these forecasts. Stay tuned...
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UNOFFICIAL...FOR THAT STUFF THAT IS KNOWN AS OFFICIAL, REFER TO NHC/TPC FORECASTS

WXMANN TD 4 DISCUSSION 1
0600Z AUG 14 2007


....TD 4 churns in the Central Atlantic...

....SYNOPSIS....
TD 14 continues to churn in the eastern Atlantic. Intensification has been styfled so far by easterly shear from the African jet. The Azores subtropical ridge to the north will remain rather strong, if not intensify, so the depression will likely continue to move in a westerly direction for at least the next 48 hr.

....TRACK....
I expect the track to remain westerly for the next 72 hr. Through 120 hr, the track is to the left of the model guidance envelope and the Official NHC/TPC track. This is due to mid and low level winds remaining westerly for the time being. In addition, model guidance may be too slow with the progression with the system, especially considering that the Azores ridge is progged to intensify in the next 72 hr. I expect the cyclone to intensify slowly over the next 48 hours (see next section), and thus be mainly steered by the low level winds. Past 48 hr, the storm may begin to intensify and feel a weakness in the ridge, allowing a more poleward movement.

Confidence in this forecast is MEDIUM-HIGH.


....INTENSITY....
TD 4 is expected to be removed from the African easterly jet within the next 48 hr, but the strong Azores ridge may present a problem to the forecast. Low level wind shear may remain quite strong, limiting developing through the forecast period. But, caveats aside, models develop a strong upper level low in the central Atlantic in around 3 days. Given the position of the storm relative to the ULL, an easterly outflow channel may open up, as the low-mid level shear weakens. A trough to the west may also help induce a polar outflow channel. In addition, past 48 hr, TD 4 is expected to enter warmer SST's and an overall healthier thermodynamic environment.

Given the above, gradual strengthening is forecast past 48 hr. Rapid intensification is possible in the 96-120 hr period. Possible land interactions due to deviations in track and effects of any low level shear or SAL intrusions from the east are complicating factors.

Confidence in this forecast is HIGH for the first 48 hr, LOW thereafter.


....EXTENDED....
After the 5 day period, the track forecast becomes problematic. Models are still incongruent regarding the synoptic pattern. The weakness is expected to fill in and be replaced by a ridge. This ridge might send the system back west, but the timing and strength of this ridge is still up in the air. A weaker and/or slower ridge would result in a possible recurvature just off the U.S. east coast, or some landfalls as it rides up the east coast. A stronger ridge may result in a more westerly track, threatening Florida and the Gulf Coast.

As of the latest global model projections, the pattern progged would support steady and possibly rapid intensification of this system, with a building upper ridge, the exiting trough providing a polar outflow channel, and the ULL to the east still possibly providing easterly outflow. The GFS has been consistently building a large 200mb anticyclone over the system as it nears the SE coast in 7-10 days. Although it is too early to call for a U.S. landfall, if it does occur from SC south, it could very well do so as a major hurricane. Of course, any land interactions with the Greater Antilles may affect this forecast.

Confidence in the extended track forecast is LOW, in the intensity forecast, MEDIUM.


....LAND EFFECTS....
Persons in the Lesser Antilles and Puerto Rico should begin preparations for a hurricane in about 4-5 days. Watches/warnings may be necessary for the Islands in about 2-3 days.

Persons in the Greater Antilles (outside of Puerto Rico), and interests in the Western Atlantic and Caribbean should watch this system closely.

Persons along the U.S. southeast coastline, including the northern Gulf Coast, Florida, and the east coast should be aware of this system. However, given the uncertainty of forecasts a week out, it is best to monitor, and not panic, as details are fine-tuned in future days.


HOUR......TIME.........INTENSITY
0 HR......14/0600......30 kt
12 HR.....14/1800......35 kt
24 HR.....15/0600......35 kt
36 HR.....15/1800......40 kt
48 HR.....16/0600......45 kt
60 HR.....16/1800......50 kt
72 HR.....17/0600......60 kt
96 HR.....17/1800......80 kt
120 HR....18/0600......95 kt


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#920 Postby RL3AO » Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:27 am

If this doesn't get its act together in the next 48, I would be worried in the Southern Islands.
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