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#921 Postby Rainband » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:28 am

Just what I need more rain :eek: They are already talking about issuing a FFW

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West central and southwest Florida forecast discussion
National Weather Service Tampa Bay area - Ruskin Florida
322 am EDT sun Aug 8 2004


Short term (today - tue)...after a real soaking yesterday along and
just north of the boundary which settled somewhere from Manatee to
Highlands County...it looks like another round of locally heavy
rainfall again today as boundary inches north with weak low pressure
waves along it. Already as I write...banded tropical showers are
dumping from coastal Manatee north-northeast into southern Hillsborough and lower
Tampa Bay. At the same time...showers/tstms lining up and moving west
from North Brevard into lake Colorado. Convergence may maximum out in
between...not too far from where it did Saturday afternoon.


With boundary looking to inch northward today expect the area of
numerous thunderstorms to move north as well...likely reaching into the
southern nature coast (hernando and perhaps citrus) cos. Expect
initial afternoon activity to really fire over interior counties then
backup toward the coast as it did Saturday. Current data suggest
this line would be farther north than Saturday...but old boundaries and
mesoscale lows/wake highs could tip it farther S.


Why is this important? Check the river response in areas that were
pounded Saturday (especially in Pasco co). Should the line form well
north of this area...the threat for flooding would be delayed. Should it
form over the same area(s)...including portions of Hillsborough
County...watch out.


After an evening of more residual light rain we'll have to watch
for more reignition. Where is the question...deepest moisture looks
to shift north but increasing west-southwest flow a bit to the S of the dynamics
could get the East Gulf machine going again. For now am playing a
blend with some coastal activity just about anywhere (sct pops).


For Monday...short wave remains over the central/north zones as does
stripe of highest moisture. Everyone S of Levy should be back into
the soup...and expect the entire north 2/3 of the area to see numerous
showers/thunderstorms with (hopefully) the heaviest band shifting to the
nature coast. Ribbon of moisture shown to shift S on Tuesday with some
low and middle level northwest flow...but too soon to get fancy. Certainly...
with deeper west flow appears the best afternoon precipitation will be inland so
have bumped up chances to the likely range.


Have toyed with rehoisting a Flood Watch for the central coastal
zones...and Polk...since any more rain in several areas will likely
cause minor (and some moderate in low lying locations) flooding.
May stick to short-fused issuances for now...but stay tuned.



Long term (tue night - sat)...the period starts with zonal flow
aloft. Flow then becomes more SW on Thursday as a trough again digs
down over the eastern US and remains in place with shortwaves moving
through the base of the trough through the rest of the period. At the
surface...weak high pressure tries to build over the state but is held
across South Florida as a low pressure trough moves into the deep south
and stalls/dissipates across south Georgia/North Florida. Good moisture values
remain over the area through the period so have kept probability of precipitation in the 40-
50% range with timing more diurnal. Temperatures are near climatology through the
period.




&&


Marine...what a difference 20 miles makes. Solid Small Craft Advisory conds
continue mainly north of Tarpon Springs...while winds/seas in the
central and S zones are substantially less. Will take last look
at buoy winds but see no reason to drop off Small Craft Advisory just yet. Values
should recede this afternoon...but convection could hold gradient
intact...so we'll have to wait and see. Eventually...winds and
seas back off considerably as gradient should quickly drop off in
the north leg...with light winds continuing into Wednesday before perhaps
picking up later in the week as next 500 mb trough approaches.


&&


Fire weather...no concerns. Interestingly...relative humidity in north Levy Colorado may
fall close to 40 percent this afternoon while everyone else is 60 percent
or higher.


&&


Preliminary point temps/pops...
tpa 088 076 088 076 / 70 40 60 40
fmy 088 075 090 076 / 70 40 40 30
gif 088 075 089 075 / 80 70 60 40
srq 088 074 088 074 / 70 40 60 40
bkv 088 073 088 073 / 70 40 60 40




Tbw watches/warnings/advisories...
Small Craft Advisory this morning for Tarpon Springs to Suwannee
river out to 60 nm.


&&


$$


Short term...bsg
long term....jlc
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#922 Postby Rainband » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:32 am

It's still flaring :eek:
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#923 Postby Nimbus » Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:01 am

Nice burst overnight and the upper level high expanding into the gulf will provide great outflow if it gets going. Still think the lowest pressures have been following BAMS, so unless it builds up soon it will have to deal with the Yucatan.
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#924 Postby Thunder44 » Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:49 am

I don't think this will develop. It's been ripped apart pretty bad by shear and won't able to recover enough.
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#925 Postby Hurricanehink » Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:12 am

I agree, it has come back together. Hopefully the Gulf will bring it good conditions (but not too good :) )
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#926 Postby Derecho » Sun Aug 08, 2004 8:37 am

There's no circulation whatsoever, at the surface, for sure, as sheared one day too long.

Conceivably a remnant one at Mid-Levels. Possible little turn visible.
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Oh oh.... TD2 movin NW into gulf

#927 Postby HouTXmetro » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:14 am

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT ... -loop.html

Based on this IR loop, the circulation associated with former TD 2 appears to be moving NW into the Gulf. Looks like it will avoid the Yucatan speed bump. What does this mean for Tropical development? Does this means it's chances for development have jumped considerably despite decreasing convection?
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#928 Postby MortisFL » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:16 am

I think all the members here are just about tired of former TD2...cant rule out development though in the very warm GOM.
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#929 Postby Brent » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:18 am

MortisFL wrote:I think all the members here are just about tired of former TD2...cant rule out development though in the very warm GOM.


I sure am. It either needs to develop NOW or vanish from the face of the earth. It's annoying. :grr:
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interesting

#930 Postby Frank P » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:21 am

Watching vis sat loops can be deceiving, but if you use the NASA GOES sat pix loops, it certainly appears that ExTD2 hints of a rotation in the midlevels, with outflow being propelled clockwise. Best estimate of the possible center of the rotation is SE of the western tip of Cuba at 20.6N and 83.3W, and the system that is rotating, if it is rotation, is moving off to the NW, heading toward the GOM between Cuba and the Yucatan... My opinion is that if it can at keep what it currently has till it gets to the GOM, it still has a shot at development....

http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html
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#931 Postby Rainband » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:16 am

Derecho wrote:There's no circulation whatsoever, at the surface, for sure, as sheared one day too long.

Conceivably a remnant one at Mid-Levels. Possible little turn visible.
This morning about 3am, there was a visable spin in the WV imagery..I guess it was at mid level :oops:
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#932 Postby Rainband » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:17 am

Looks like nothing now. What a difference a few hours make :lol:
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#933 Postby Brent » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:23 am

11:30am TWO:

AN AREA OF CLOUDINESS AND A FEW SHOWERS OVER THE NORTHWESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA...JUST TO THE SOUTH OF WESTERN CUBA...IS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO. ALTHOUGH UPPER-LEVEL
WINDS APPEAR TO BE FAVORABLE FOR SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS
SYSTEM...THE ASSOCIATED THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY IS LIMITED AT THIS
TIME.
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#934 Postby hurricanemike » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:25 am

From 1105 TWD:

THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA...JUST TO THE SOUTH OF WESTERN CUBA...IS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO. ALTHOUGH UPPER-LEVEL
WINDS APPEAR TO BE FAVORABLE FOR SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM...THE ASSOCIATED THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY IS LIMITED AT THIS TIME.


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http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/GMEX/IR4/20.jpg
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Expect that to Change

#935 Postby KatDaddy » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:32 am

Favorable conditions will lead to more thunderstorm development. There currently a MLC that is being vented by an upper level high. All we need is a burst of convection and then we are off to the races. TD remnants must be watched closely today.
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More favorable conditions

#936 Postby rockyman » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:38 am

the way this season is going...I'll take a pitiful cloud mass with favorable conditions over an "impressive" cloud mass with massive shear...Now we just need a little spark
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Re: More favorable conditions

#937 Postby Rainband » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:39 am

rockyman wrote:the way this season is going...I'll take a pitiful cloud mass with favorable conditions over an "impressive" cloud mass with massive shear...Now we just need a little spark
Great point :lol:
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#938 Postby Frank P » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:42 am

I agree, we have weak mid level circulation moving toward the GOM...convection building just ever so slightly on the northern quadrant of this developing system. I think if it can maintain at least what it currently has until transitioning to the GOM, it just might be able to make a go of it... certainly not a sure thing but at least something worthly of monitoring
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#939 Postby Nimbus » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:46 am

The current flare up is right smack in the middle of the upper level high so it should really blossom.
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#940 Postby c5Camille » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:48 am

i conquer...
i really wish they would
put this thing on the floater...
get a much better perspective
with 30 min. shots rather than
1 hour... not enough to get a good look
at the viual yet...
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