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Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#1 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:28 am

The national hurricane center forecast for there to be two tropical storms in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday. Of course, that forecast could change, but it got me wondering - for such a small body of water, has there ever been two simultaneous storms in the Gulf of Mexico?

On September 6, 2002, tropical depression Edouard crossed from Florida into the eastern Gulf of Mexico, while tropical storm Fay was forming off the coast of Texas. However, Edouard was dissipating, and wouldn’t mark two tropical storms.

Does anyone in the Internet hive mind know of two simultaneous tropical storms in the Gulf of Mexico?
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#2 Postby EquusStorm » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:22 am

Just looking back real quick... in 1971 we had Fern dying over south TX on Sep 12 as a TS while Edith entered the Bay of Campeche as a TS so if you want to count ~50 miles inland Texas as the Gulf, that might count; in 1950 Hurricane King was over the Florida peninsula on Oct 18 while Hurricane Love was over the central Gulf so that is pretty close... lemme look pre-1950 for a bit

Almost happened on Aug 22 1944 with a TS striking NE Mexico just before a hurricane moved into the Bay of Campeche, missed by ~12 hours

Sep 5 1933 is a great example with a hurricane striking Brownsville while the by now-weakened powerful Florida storm from the previous day skirted Cedar Key and was largely over the Gulf... that's impressive

Will look <1933 later but I'd wager records get a little less reliable on exact locations and weak storms going further back

Needless to say though, if two storms at TS or higher are both simultaneously well over open waters of the Gulf next Tuesday it'll be a clear first at least in the satellite era as far as I can tell, probably the first in 80+ years
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#4 Postby Hurricanehink » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:40 pm

We have an answer, thank you so much both of you!
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#5 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:09 pm

Unbelievable!!! Look at the locations 8PM Tuesday. This would be historic if it verified!

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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#6 Postby ElectricStorm » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:11 pm

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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#7 Postby HouTXmetro » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:19 pm

The Entire Northern Gulf Coast would be under a simultaneous Hurricane/Tropical Storm Warning.
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#8 Postby jaxfladude » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:14 am

Possible historic evacuation if needs be?
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#9 Postby Shell Mound » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:31 am

Hurricanehink wrote:We have an answer, thank you so much both of you!

According to a preliminary reanalysis recorded in a presentation for AMS (at 7:00 and 8:25, respectively), two hurricanes struck the U.S. only a few hundred miles apart on the same date twice in the same season (1837). On 2 August 1837, one hurricane was striking South FL near Miami and another was simultaneously moving inland near the St. Marys River on the FL/GA border. Only five (!) days later, two more hurricanes made landfall on the same date: one near Pensacola and another over Jacksonville, FL.

As for 1933, here is a closer look:
 https://twitter.com/gdimeweather/status/1296465363291512841



 https://twitter.com/iCyclone/status/1296702818292772865



 https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1296546563381030912


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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#10 Postby Emmett_Brown » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:57 am

I think there is a higher than normal probability of forecast track or intensity error for one or both systems. Both are forecast to be near hurricane strength at some point Monday-Tuesday in the GOM... some interaction seems unavoidable; the outcome almost unpredictable. There could be a surprise or 2. It will be a real nowcast situation!
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#11 Postby HurricaneEnzo » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:18 pm

So if this does happen looks like this will be the first time for 2 named systems in the Gulf at the same time in the satellite era. Of course the consequences will be unfortunate if it happens but sure could make for some eye candy as far as satellite loops. I'd rather it not happen but if it does it will truly be something to behold.
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Re: Simultaneous tropical cyclones in the Gulf of Mexico?

#12 Postby Blinhart » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:39 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
Hurricanehink wrote:We have an answer, thank you so much both of you!

According to a preliminary reanalysis recorded in a presentation for AMS (at 7:00 and 8:25, respectively), two hurricanes struck the U.S. only a few hundred miles apart on the same date twice in the same season (1837). On 2 August 1837, one hurricane was striking South FL near Miami and another was simultaneously moving inland near the St. Marys River on the FL/GA border. Only five (!) days later, two more hurricanes made landfall on the same date: one near Pensacola and another over Jacksonville, FL.

As for 1933, here is a closer look:
https://twitter.com/gdimeweather/status/1296465363291512841
https://twitter.com/iCyclone/status/1296702818292772865
https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/1296546563381030912


Yes, this is fascinating, but the question was about the GoM not about landfalling systems at the same time.
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