Tropical Wave south of the Cabo Verde Islands (Is Invest 91L)

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Tropical Wave south of the Cabo Verde Islands (Is Invest 91L)

#1 Postby Teban54 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:40 am

This is the wave behind 90L. GFS and ICON have shown some development of this in recent runs: GFS generally has this being sheared and killed by the much stronger 90L eventually, while ICON sometimes has the storm surviving and sliding under 90L to the south.

3. Eastern Atlantic:
A tropical wave located near the coast of western Africa is
currently producing limited shower activity. Some gradual
development of this system is possible during the next several days
while it moves slowly westward or west-northwestward over the
eastern Atlantic Ocean.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...20 percent.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/20)

#2 Postby kevin » Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:50 am

Another one. 2024's MDR/CV season is hitting its stride at the time of the year when most seasons close down that region of the basin.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/20)

#3 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:00 am

So perhaps, 15 or more total NSs for this season may not be so far-fetched after all.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/20)

#4 Postby REDHurricane » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:35 am

kevin wrote:Another one. 2024's MDR/CV season is hitting its stride at the time of the year when most seasons close down that region of the basin.


It makes sense on its face -- if the reason the MDR was so inactive in August/first 3 weeks of September (i.e. typical peak MDR season) was due to the WAM's anomalous position causing all the tropical waves to exit Africa's coast way too far to the north, then it seems logical that once the WAM inevitably moved back south, the tropical waves would start coming off into the Atlantic at their usual latitude south of Cabo Verde and that the very high SSTs/OHC would support development in line with how the MDR typically behaves during its seasonal peak. The MDR normally begins shutting down around this late-September/early-October period because the WAM shifts too far to the south for tropical waves to develop, but that isn't happening yet because everything is still so anomalously far to the north and looks to stay that way over the next several weeks.

Sure, this probably isn't the entire story and there are no doubt other factors in play here that others might be able to shed some light on, but this has been my thinking over the last month or so. We are now entering the actual "peak season" even though the climatological "peak season" already passed 3 weeks ago. This tropical wave/future AOI will be entering an environment that you would expect to see 3 weeks earlier in September, so maybe it could be useful to consider the peak MDR/CV season as fashionably late by 3 weeks but here to stay for the same amount of time as usual.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/20)

#5 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:40 am

Teban54 wrote:This is the wave behind 90L. GFS and ICON have shown some development of this in recent runs: GFS generally has this being sheared and killed by the much stronger 90L eventually, while ICON sometimes has the storm surviving and sliding under 90L to the south.

3. Eastern Atlantic:
A tropical wave located near the coast of western Africa is
currently producing limited shower activity. Some gradual
development of this system is possible during the next several days
while it moves slowly westward or west-northwestward over the
eastern Atlantic Ocean.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...20 percent.


AIFS also develops and is not a recurve away from the islands.

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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#6 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 12:57 pm

2 PM:

A low-latitude tropical wave located near the coast of western
Africa is currently producing limited shower and thunderstorm
activity. Upper-level winds are forecast to become more conducive
for gradual development of this system during the next several days
while it moves slowly westward or west-northwestward over the
eastern Atlantic Ocean.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...low...30 percent.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#7 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 1:32 pm

Interestingly enough, unlike the current code red MDR disturbance (likely-to-be-Kirk) that looks likely to be a clean recurve on out to sea, some of the recent models have this system heading on a more prolonged due west track. CMC and ICON notably show this, and while the GFS doesn't really develop this system, it does show a significant ridge setting in after Kirk recurves, and this ridge is somewhat reminiscent of the one that drove Beryl due west earlier this summer.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#8 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:03 pm

European develops for the first time this wave.

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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#9 Postby mantis83 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:27 pm

looks to recurve once to about 60W
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#10 Postby MarioProtVI » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:38 pm

The Euro develops this into a full blown October MDR major, the second after 90L/Kirk. If that verifies 2024 could easily shoot towards 140 ACE.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#11 Postby Hurricane2022 » Sun Sep 29, 2024 2:40 pm

If this manages to stay sufficiently away from the large outflow of soon-to-be (MH) Kirk, I think it also may have a chance to become a very strong major hurricane, becoming the 4th of 2024. I hope it can stay away from land.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#12 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:27 pm

mantis83 wrote:looks to recurve once to about 60W


You mean that first big system? Yeah, that's Kirk. It's clearly not going to hit land, I'm with you on that.

The second system though (and the topic of this thread)....that's a fairly pronounced westward movement. This isn't as clean cut of a recurve as Kirk.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#13 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:32 pm

The AIFS at 12z recurves, but gets close to the northern Leewards.

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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#14 Postby Hammy » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:17 pm

Some of the modeling is reminiscent of Karl-Lisa in 2004, interestingly right after having a major Florida/Southeast impact (also like 2004)
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#15 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 4:49 pm

18z ICON.

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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#16 Postby Travorum » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:01 pm

cycloneye wrote:18z ICON.

https://i.imgur.com/Pv3RFmL.gif


3mb stronger and a degree further south than 12z at the equivalent time.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#17 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:55 pm

18z GFS not the same as ECMWF, ICON, CMC and AIFS as it goes NW.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (0/30)

#18 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:07 pm

Tough for me to see this one getting close to land like the models are saying right now. October and Major hurricane out in front of it will prevent anything but up-and-out.
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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (10/50)

#19 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:37 pm

8 PM:

Eastern Tropical Atlantic:
A low-latitude tropical wave located a few hundred miles off the
west coast of Africa is producing limited shower and thunderstorm
activity. Upper-level winds are forecast to become more conducive
for gradual development of this system during the next few days, and
a tropical depression could form during the middle or latter part of
this week while moving slowly westward or west-northwestward over
the eastern tropical Atlantic.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...50 percent.


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Re: Tropical Wave off the African Coast (10/50)

#20 Postby cycloneye » Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:18 pm

Once again, AIFS at 18z run develops it and it clips the northern Leewards.

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