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I don't like this, either

#1 Postby Scott_inVA » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:03 pm

5PM Disc snip:

ONE DISTURBING BIT OF INFORMATION IS THAT THE 12Z
UKMET... GFS...GFDL...AND CANADIAN MODELS DID NOT ANALYZE THE 500 MB HEIGHT AND WIND FIELDS TO THE 12Z BERMUDA UPPER-AIR OBSERVATION OF 10 KT NORTHEAST WIND AND 5940 METER HEIGHT. THIS OBSERVATION SUGGESTS THAT THE RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF BERMUDA AND ISABEL EXTENDS SOUTHWESTWARD FARTHER THAN THOSE FOUR MODELS ARE INDICATING. MORE RIDGING WOULD SUGGEST THAT...AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM... ISABEL SHOULD MOVE FARTHER WEST THAN THESE MODELS ARE FORECASTING BEFORE THE HURRICANE BEGINS TO TURN NORTHWESTWARD. ONLY THE NOGAPS MODEL INITIALIZED THE 500 MB PROPERLY TO THE BERMUDA OBSERVATION...AND THE 12Z NOGAPS TRACK IS TO THE LEFT OR WEST OF THE PREVIOUS AND CURRENT FORECAST TRACKS.

Poor init this aft illustrated the concern long honked about here. The models have consistently undercooked ridging and undercooked MSLP with Izzy. I am forced to stick with my Myrtle Beach southern flank scenario. don't think she comes in that far south, but will not dismiss it ATTM.

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#2 Postby PTrackerLA » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:23 pm

I'm starting to think this will be a NC hit. With the models trending more west, it's still a long ways out but my thoughts are with everyone in the mid-atlantic region who will be on pins and needles all week.
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#3 Postby Lowpressure » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:36 pm

It looks more like a NC/SC hit with every run. The further north tracking has become a little less likely with the 500mb being misjudged by some models.
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#4 Postby paradoxsixnine » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:39 pm

Lowpressure wrote:It looks more like a NC/SC hit with every run. The further north tracking has become a little less likely with the 500mb being misjudged by some models.



ENOUGH! ***glaring at the monitor in a denial rage***
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#5 Postby Deenac813 » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:41 pm

paradoxsixnine wrote:
Lowpressure wrote:ENOUGH! ***glaring at the monitor in a denial rage***
:?


De Nile is not just a river in Egypt! sorry.. could not resist! :lol:

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#6 Postby JetMaxx » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:47 pm

Scott...I'm growing very concerned what will happen is Isabel sits far south...slows to a crawl...only to accelerate rapidly northward as the trough approaches from the west -- a "squeeze play" between the trough and high pressure to the hurricane's east and northeast.....like water being sucked up a straw.

It's similar to how hurricane Opal did in the GOM in 1995....a much faster increase in forward speed than the models indicated. We were lucky then that Opal weakened....I'm not as certain that will happen with Isabel.

If I lived along the coast from Myrtle Beach northward to Long Island...maybe even as far east as Cape Cod -- I'd be preparing NOW to evacuate in a hurry if what I think will happen does...

In 1954, hurricane Carol loitered slowly near the Bahamas for several days as a cat-1/2 hurricane...and accelerated from 5 mph to over 45 mph in a few hours. The result was a rapidly approaching and strengthening hurricane passing just east of Hatteras--and blasting across Long Island into Rhode Island and Massachusetts less than 10 hours later :o

The 1938 monster hurricane also did something similar....it took a long time to finally turn north...but when it did, it shot up the east coast...75-100 miles east of Cape Hatteras at 7 a.m. and across Long Island into Connecticut between 2 and 2:30 p.m.....an average forward speed of 55 mph. It didn't have time enough over the cool water to weaken much....and I'm scared to death Isabel may do the same thing...except farther west (from near Cape Hatteras into New Jersey or Delmarva).

The deeper and sharper the trough = the faster forward speed on a more northward movement.
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#7 Postby stormraiser » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:52 pm

Good point Perry about being ready. Cape Cod would be a horrible place to be if they had to evacuate. On a regular weekend, it can take 12 hours in 20+ mile traffic to leave the cape, over 1 of the two bridges that connect them to the mainland. Imagine this in a panic situation. Time would run out, as they would have to close the bridges as the winds picked up.
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#8 Postby Scott_inVA » Sun Sep 14, 2003 5:29 pm

True, Perry.

A creeping crawling Izzy could be a landfall miss south of the Chesapeake (something of a blessing for NC/VA)...almost ala 1938.

That is not however what the Northeast wants.

If she comes in Wilmington to Hatteras and then accelerates north as the trof approaches, alot of people north of me have a problem.

Scott
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