Eerie similarities here.

[bwstg]

http://www.moreweather.com/tropics/2004 ... HARLEY.gif


Very eerie. Does anyone know what the difference may be??

[alicia-w]

not exactly sure what you're trying to say. difference from what?

[JTD]

This is Charley's path right.....?

I don't know what the difference is though. LOL.

Further north?

[latemodel25]

please explain. Thanks.

[Stormsfury]

Charley and Ivan BOTH did a WEST and SOUTHWEST jog around Jamaica, possibly caused by the drag on the northern side of each respective storm due to the high mountains and the bucking of winds off of those ...

However, the BIGGEST difference is the synoptic scale setup ...

First of all, Charley's recurvature to the NORTH and NNE was a no-brainer, induced by an exceptional strong trough in late August which basically guaranteed Charley's capture and turn ...

Ivan has no such unprecedented or even a strong trough in the short term to be hooked around ...

SF

[cubbynole]

I think the big difference is the intensity/strength of the trough coming down into the gulf. In mid-August there was a remarkable string of record low temperatures in the northern gulf coast area, I believe on Friday, August 13th, the day Charley made landfall, Pensacola had a record low of 63 degrees. 63 degrees anywhere in Florida in Mid-August is a huge anomoly. While there is a trough expected to venture south, I don't believe it will go as for, nor be as strong as the one that came through to shove Charley so sharply east.

But of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

[cubbynole]

I think the big difference is the intensity/strength of the trough coming down into the gulf. In mid-August there was a remarkable string of record low temperatures in the northern gulf coast area, I believe on Friday, August 13th, the day Charley made landfall, Pensacola had a record low of 63 degrees. 63 degrees anywhere in Florida in Mid-August is a huge anomoly. While there is a trough expected to venture south, I don't believe it will go as for, nor be as strong as the one that came through to shove Charley so sharply east.

But of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

[bwstg]

Charley and Ivan BOTH did a WEST and SOUTHWEST jog around Jamaica, possibly caused by the drag on the northern side of each respective storm due to the high mountains and the bucking of winds off of those ...

However, the BIGGEST difference is the synoptic scale setup ...

First of all, Charley's recurvature to the NORTH and NNE was a no-brainer, induced by an exceptional strong trough in late August which basically guaranteed Charley's capture and turn ...

Ivan has no such unprecedented or even a strong trough in the short term to be hooked around ...

SF

StormsFury, you got it. At least you were able to determine the difference unlike the posts above. Thanks...

[ericinmia]

The key is this... Charley passed the isle of youth to the east... Ivan will most likely pass to the west, unless he heads north now.

It is very hard for storms that pass to the west of the isle of youth to hit the peninsula, and generally does not occur.

This storm itself is an anomally though so all bes are of.

[LAwxrgal]

Eric, don't historical-level hurricanes (such as Ivan) create their own environment to an extent?

[SouthFLTropics]

Lets not forget that the trough that moved Charley to the NE was enhanced by the exiting TS Bonnie. That, in my opinion had a great impact on Charley's eventual track. That was something that was alluded to by Mike Watkins about 2 days prior to Charleys eventual landfall.