Reminacent of Betsy?

[Guest]

Jeanne is basically in the same location as Besty was when she did her famous loop. Then headed for Southern Florida as High Pressure built in to her north.
The Miami News headline read, "Big Bad Betsy Barrleing Down on Buttoned up Miami!"
Jeanne is forecast to do almost the same type of loop in the same location. The high pressure is forecast to be abnormally strong for this time of year, and the question will be told in time where and when Jeanne will move westward.
Here is the information on Betsy 1965!!!
http://www.weather.unisys.com/hurricane ... /track.gif

[Sean in New Orleans]

Well, Jeanne better make a move soon if the system is going to make a damaging effect on the US, IMO. Fall pattern is setting in fairly quickly this week...

[tronbunny]

Well, Jeanne better make a move soon if the system is going to make a damaging effect on the US, IMO. Fall pattern is setting in fairly quickly this week...

Are you implying that we don't get damaging canes in FL in october/nov because of fall pattern?

[Sean in New Orleans]

Well, Jeanne better make a move soon if the system is going to make a damaging effect on the US, IMO. Fall pattern is setting in fairly quickly this week...

Are you implying that we don't get damaging canes in FL in october/nov because of fall pattern?

No--I've been in them. They just are pushed out into the Atlantic more by troughs. I missed a week of high school for Hurricane Juan in New Orleans in 1985....I wouldn't post something I didn't know what I was talking about....

[Sean in New Orleans]

BTW----Juan was in November!

[panichead4469]

Although Betsy followed somewhat of a similar looping pattern, it should be noted that Jeanne is much less organized than Betsy was at this point-- a CAT 4/5 compared to a Tropical Storm....i don't know if you can compare the two to say that ohh..this is betsy relived, etc. From all of the things that have happened this season, lets see if in the future, we'll be like "ohhh, this is reminancent of Jeanne in '04!"

[Doc Seminole]

Let's see...... One of the few places in Florida unaffected by a hurricane this years is Duval/St. John's counties....... I think that area is ripe but no matter what happens.... it will be interesting.

[Huckster]

Although Betsy followed somewhat of a similar looping pattern, it should be noted that Jeanne is much less organized than Betsy was at this point-- a CAT 4/5 compared to a Tropical Storm....i don't know if you can compare the two to say that ohh..this is betsy relived, etc. From all of the things that have happened this season, lets see if in the future, we'll be like "ohhh, this is reminancent of Jeanne in '04!"

I think you're right about making comparisons to individual storms. My eperience is pretty much any time two storms are compared, the current storm never really quite matches up with the other one. I even tried this a few days ago with Jeanne. I should have known better. I thought Jeanne would be 2004's version of Debbie of 2000. Organizing storm. Heading west northwest. Makes the mistake of fighting Hispaniola. Dies a violent, rather quick death. That was a few days ago, and now Jeanne is back, at least for now. Jeanne somehow survived much to my surprise. Good thing I didn't make any bets

And about October hurricanes...it seems like there might be an October maximum in SW Florida, you know, storms forming in the west Caribbean and curving across the Yucatan Channel or western Cuba. Charley's track looked more like something from a historic October hurricane than early/mid August. Hurricane hits definitely decrease in the western and northwest Gulf areas in October, but sometimes some real monsters can sneak through. The Racer's Storm in Oct. 1837 curved N and then NE along the Texas and Louisiana coasts, hitting Galveston and New Orleans pretty hard. Other hurricanes to hit Texas in October...

10/17/1848
10/2-4/1867 (cat. 2,curved along the entire coast, hit LA)
10/12/1886 (cat. 3, landfall in LA but severe damage extended just across the border into TX)
10/16/1912 (cat. 1)
10/4/1949 (cat. 3/4 according to Best Track data, not listed in TPC's most intense list, 135 mph winds estimated at Freeport)
10/16/1989 Jerry (cat. 1)

Interestingly enough, records indicate that two hurricanes have hit Texas in November, both at Galveston, 1527 and the other on 11/5/1839.

Check out this link for detailed Texas hurricane history, thanks to NWS Lake Charles.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lch/research/txhur.htm

[Guest]

Ok maybe the idea was lost here.
What I was trying to point out, was that Betsy did loop and come back towards the East Coast. What else I was trying to say is that this (loop) was caused by high pressure building in from the west. Even though, a discussion insued about seeding of Betsy that caused her to move west.
All the was referenced was that Betsy was in about the same location as Jeanne, and Jeanne is being forecast to meander in this area as high presure built in from the west.
Now if people want to read further into it, great, makes a good discussion. But, no comparison was actually being made as if Jeanne was going to be just like Betsy. Just the track similarities!

[Patrick99]

As far as I'm concerned, Florida is fair game until Nov. 30. I remember Hurricane Kate threatening us in Nov, 1995 - a FL Straits runner in November.

[kcjax]

Let's see...... One of the few places in Florida unaffected by a hurricane this years is Duval/St. John's counties....... I think that area is ripe but no matter what happens.... it will be interesting.

okay, okay! Nothing like a mean ole wishcast to bring a lurker out of the shadows. We have been pretty fortunate here, although we did lose a few days of school and a lot of folks went without power for the better part of a week after Frances brushed us. Believe me, we watch pretty closely because I agree, the area is ripe. Our turn is coming