Jeanne likely actually landfalling as cat 2...per NHC

[Guest]

cheerleaders...dont hate me..im just the messenger!!

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/at200411.disc.html

[caneman]

NAysayers selective reading problems. This from the discussion.

"however the aircraft has not yet finished its
survey of the Hurricane".

Thank God it was going thru an ERC as it probably would have got stronger. I know some thought it was just weakening with no apparant reason.

[yoda]

NAysayers selective reading problems. This from the discussion.

"however the aircraft has not yet finished its
survey of the Hurricane".

Thank God it was going thru an ERC as it probably would have got stronger. I know some thought it was just weakening with no apparant reason.

Huh? This is a Cat 2 IMO.. unless the plane proves otherwise....

[tronbunny]

I don't care..wasn't looking forward to 90-100mph winds anyway.
So if it's a cat2, good for us.

[caneman]

NAysayers selective reading problems. This from the discussion.

"however the aircraft has not yet finished its
survey of the Hurricane".

Thank God it was going thru an ERC as it probably would have got stronger. I know some thought it was just weakening with no apparant reason.

Huh? This is a Cat 2 IMO.. unless the plane proves otherwise....

Huh, she is stating something in her post that NHC has not stated, which is - Hurricane Jeanne has made landfall as a Cat.2. When they do, I'll believe it.

[Guest]

i doubt they would have included that in the discussion if the plane had not sampled the storm reasonably well already......

agree...unless they update the recon cat 2 should be assumed.....

i also think they should post the max flight level winds for that trip in the vortex reports....not just leaving the highest reported during the last day,week, month??

[yoda]

NAysayers selective reading problems. This from the discussion.

"however the aircraft has not yet finished its
survey of the Hurricane".

Thank God it was going thru an ERC as it probably would have got stronger. I know some thought it was just weakening with no apparant reason.

Huh? This is a Cat 2 IMO.. unless the plane proves otherwise....

Huh, she is stating something in her post that NHC has not stated, which is - Hurricane Jeanne has made landfall as a Cat.2. When they do, I'll believe it.

Well, techinically they are.. they are just putting it that way to make sure in case the plane says its a CAT 3.

[tampastorm]

Look at the reporters live on the news, this is very strong winds. I cant see this as anything less then a cat 3.

[tronbunny]

last vortex max flt lvl wnd = 108 NW quad

[Guest]

yes...jeanne is innocent of being a cat 3 until proven guilty...per nhc 11pm discussion.


dennis1x1,djti,jeannemean out.

PEACE.

[Scorpion]

BS. Tomorrow we will find out from the extent of the damage. It seems that everyone wants to downplay storms as they make landfall, such as Ivan.

[Lockhart]

This makes looking back on previous discussion interesting. It was clear that the storm was going to intensify over the much warmer waters just before Florida. Some people mentioned the significant dry air affecting the hurricane negatively and suggested the hurricane was going to get less strong (from 3 to 2) instead of intensify (from 3 to 4). They were screamed at over and over for how stupid they were.

Looks like they were right, and perhaps the people who called others names (when they were actually saying something correct) will be less likely to do so in the future.

[yoda]

BS. Tomorrow we will find out from the extent of the damage. It seems that everyone wants to downplay storms as they make landfall, such as Ivan.

Huh. OK. I am not getting this.. but lets leave Ivan alone and stay focused on Jeanne.

[Guest]

and then there are people like scorpion who wont believe anything other than "the hurricane is strengthening"...these people would have every hurricane a cat 6 if they were king!!

[SouthernWx]

It is most definitely a cat-3...check out this recon data from the NOAA aircraft....God help those folks in the north eyewall who didn't evacuate

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/SL.us008001 ... n.0002.txt

For those who can't translate...after making the vortex fix, the NOAA aircraft flew into the north eyewall, right along the coast....and found flight level winds of 113 kts. Even more alarming, check out those three-digit numbers in the column at the far right of the page. That's the surface wind data....98 kts, 104 kts, and one spot where the estimated surface wind is 112 kts....or 129 mph.
That's why flight level winds and central pressure readings don't always tell the true strength of a landfalling hurricane.

Now I know why the reporter in Port St Lucie said it was so bad there...and according to this NOAA recon data, it's likely even worse farther up the coast....in the north eyewall region between Fort Pierce and Melbourne.

[senorpepr]

BS. Tomorrow we will find out from the extent of the damage. It seems that everyone wants to downplay storms as they make landfall, such as Ivan.

Scorpion, it's not trying to downplay the storm. It's looking at the given data and going from there. Recon reported flight level winds of 108kt, as a maximum, for several hours. 108kt would equal roughly 97.2kts on the surface, just below cat 3 status.

[Lockhart]

BS. Tomorrow we will find out from the extent of the damage. It seems that everyone wants to downplay storms as they make landfall, such as Ivan.

Strange, I see the exact opposite. When people say "The data say X" and they are *correct* it is not "downplaying". We may get more data later which contradict the present data, but until then, this is by no means downplaying.

[Derek Ortt]

max mayfiled just said recent SFMR data shows a large extent of cat 3 winds

[bahamaswx]

This makes looking back on previous discussion interesting. It was clear that the storm was going to intensify over the much warmer waters just before Florida. Some people mentioned the significant dry air affecting the hurricane negatively and suggested the hurricane was going to get less strong (from 3 to 2) instead of intensify (from 3 to 4). They were screamed at over and over for how stupid they were.

Looks like they were right, and perhaps the people who called others names (when they were actually saying something correct) will be less likely to do so in the future.

If it does actually landfall as a Cat2, they'll be right for all the wrong reasons, so who cares?

[Scorpion]

Umm no. I just heard Max Mayfield say that Jeanne is indeed a Cat 3. There goes the Cat 2 BS.