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Angry crowd forms at Dallas FEMA office

#1 Postby TexasStooge » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:57 pm

DALLAS, Texas (WFAA ABC 8) - An angry group of current and former FEMA employees gathered outside a Dallas office building Friday afternoon and got into an altercation over errors on paychecks that were to be distributed.

Dallas Police Sr. Cpl. Max Geron said about 300 individuals gathered at the Park Stemmons complex at 8700 N. Stemmons Freeway shortly before 2 p.m. Reports indicated they were contract employees at a FEMA call center upset over their pay.

Arriving police personnel quickly called for backup to control the crowd. Geron said a number of additional officers responded and quickly dispersed the crowd.

One individual was arrested for disorderly conduct, he said.

FEMA officials said they were working to resolve the errors on the checks.

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A Dallas police officer tells a crowd to disperse at a local FEMA office on Friday afternoon.
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#2 Postby jasons2k » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:52 pm

They have some real issues. Here in Houston they announce one thing, only hours later to change it, then they change it back. What a mess.
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#3 Postby HurricaneBill » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:14 am

It's like one guy said on the news: "FEMA has become a joke".
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#4 Postby Ixolib » Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:31 am

HurricaneBill wrote:It's like one guy said on the news: "FEMA has become a joke".


I don't now about that... FEMA has actually done a pretty remarkable job in spite of dealing with these un-precedented events like Katrina followed shortly by Rita. In my case - and many other cases - FEMA has been a virtual life saver. But I didn't have any pre-conceived or unreasonable expectations before-hand. PLUS - me and my family had to be pro-active and we realize(ed) up front that this was not going to be an easy journey to successful recovery. This is perhaps the biggest challenge any of us have ever faced in any of our lives - FEMA officials included.

In my opinion, people are expecting WAY TOO MUCH in the face of an extreme disaster. Therefore, crowds get unruly. Agree that FEMA has made a few mistakes, but it is entirely unreasonable for anyone to expect perfection in this recovery effort. Stuff has, and will continue to, happen. In many cases, decisions are being made on the fly because there's no precedent to dictate otherwise. Sometimes they're good and sometimes they're not. But, the effort continues and in the end, everyone will be taken care of to the greatest ability - and extent - of the U.S. Gov't.

Keep the faith, brothers and sisters. In due time, everything will be okay!! :D :D
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#5 Postby jasons2k » Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:57 am

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HurricaneBill wrote:It's like one guy said on the news: "FEMA has become a joke".


I don't now about that... FEMA has actually done a pretty remarkable job in spite of dealing with these un-precedented events like Katrina followed shortly by Rita. In my case - and many other cases - FEMA has been a virtual life saver. But I didn't have any pre-conceived or unreasonable expectations before-hand. PLUS - me and my family had to be pro-active and we realize(ed) up front that this was not going to be an easy journey to successful recovery. This is perhaps the biggest challenge any of us have ever faced in any of our lives - FEMA officials included.

In my opinion, people are expecting WAY TOO MUCH in the face of an extreme disaster. Therefore, crowds get unruly. Agree that FEMA has made a few mistakes, but it is entirely unreasonable for anyone to expect perfection in this recovery effort. Stuff has, and will continue to, happen. In many cases, decisions are being made on the fly because there's no precedent to dictate otherwise. Sometimes they're good and sometimes they're not. But, the effort continues and in the end, everyone will be taken care of to the greatest ability - and extent - of the U.S. Gov't.

Keep the faith, brothers and sisters. In due time, everything will be okay!! :D :D


Well here in Houston, let's see, they advertise the $2,000 debit cards. Then after one day they shut it down, then later announce they will still distribute cards at the Convention Center only, then they say they won't, etc.

When Rita came they set-up a relief center in SW Houston and told everyone to go there (even advertising it on the interactive TXDOT Highway Signs), a line forms outside in 100+ degree heat, people start passing out and are hospitalized, so they announce they are closing the center and they need to pack-up, and go across town to another relief center. They get to the other relief center, stand in line, only to have IT close-down and are told to come back the next day.

The next day, people line-up again at location #2, only to be told that location is closed and they need to all go back to the original location #1 that had been closed the day before. Several hours later, when additional people are overcome with heat, it finally opens its doors. Only a handful were actually processed and had to come back again on days 3 and 4.

This is just one example of many that has played-out here, locally. I've read of similiar accounts in other relief cities as well.

I'm a conservative and not a proponent of Gov't aid in most cases but this is an exception. Also, this is not to diminish the important life-saving work that FEMA is accomplishing. However, I truly feel for these people and it's not at all unreasonable to expect some very basic coordination and simple instructions. It's flat-out ridiculous what some of these people have had to go through - it's never that same message or instructions 2 days (and sometimes 2 hours) in a row.

And the above article is hardly the first time they have completely dropped the ball with their own employees either. It's a textbook example of bureaucracy gone awry, and it's the people who desparately need aid the most who are suffering the consequences.
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#6 Postby yzerfan » Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:30 am

My sister is a federal employee who got herself temporarily reassigned to FEMA because she wanted to help. The amount of red tape is insane, the woman she saw as the only other competent employee in her group had to go home because of a family emergency and she hates the rest of her coworkers, and her clients seem determined to make her job harder than it has to be. (you really do have to have your manufactured home titled in order to prove it ever existed)

But despite it all, she's glad to be here because she's figuring out how to get the system to actually help people.
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#7 Postby Ixolib » Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:53 pm

jschlitz wrote:Well here in Houston, let's see, they advertise the $2,000 debit cards. Then after one day they shut it down, then later announce they will still distribute cards at the Convention Center only, then they say they won't, etc.

When Rita came they set-up a relief center in SW Houston and told everyone to go there (even advertising it on the interactive TXDOT Highway Signs), a line forms outside in 100+ degree heat, people start passing out and are hospitalized, so they announce they are closing the center and they need to pack-up, and go across town to another relief center. They get to the other relief center, stand in line, only to have IT close-down and are told to come back the next day.

The next day, people line-up again at location #2, only to be told that location is closed and they need to all go back to the original location #1 that had been closed the day before. Several hours later, when additional people are overcome with heat, it finally opens its doors. Only a handful were actually processed and had to come back again on days 3 and 4....


Yeah, the same situations pretty much happened here too - wrong directions on open or closed distribution centers, centers opening then closing, that kind of thing. But FEMA is only one of the agencies working the relief effort. So, instead of fighting or arguing with the "system", we decided to wait out the "red tape" and let the Salvation Army and Red Cross help provide for our immediate needs. Which they did very well in terms of food, water, ice, and even money (from the Red Cross) for temporary lodging. Within a few days or a week, FEMA finally got it together and things began to work out for the better. In my viewpoint, 5 or 6 days is not unreasonable to allow a government agency time to get set up and running to provide relief for millions. But even with FEMA, folks have to be proactive and use other means if the centers aren't working out. Mail, phone, and internet continue to be our best connection with the FEMA representative who is working our issue.

Regardless of the present situation in any of our communities, be they in TX, LA, or MS, Katrina was unprecedented and with Rita soon on her coat tails, that just added to the event. It would have been very difficult to practice for all the "issues" these two storms presented the officials. Lessons are being learned at the exact time that mistakes are being made. But, I still believe that the end result will be one that is much improved for disasters beyond the '05 hurricane season.
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