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Lesson from weakening Alberto.......

#1 Postby kenl01 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:59 am

Don't ever hype up early season storms or early season tropical waves !

If this were late August/September, I can understand the concern that hurricanes are of course a greater threat than in June. No question about that.

But generally speaking, early season storms are relatively weak for the most part due to too much shear and cooler water still present in the tropical Atlantic basin, and Alberto was no exception.

In fact, this weak system called Alberto was about the best thing that could have happened ! Beneficial rains swept through Florida and the Carolinas, and cloud cover kept temperatures down. I was hoping for it.

Average rainfall in this area now stands at 120 % of normal for June so far. :)
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#2 Postby KWT » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:03 am

I think a system called Audery proves that you should never under-estimate a system in June, even if they are very unlikely to become anything that strong I agree:

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
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#3 Postby kenl01 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:06 am

KWT wrote:I think a system called Audery proves that you should never under-estimate a system in June, even if they are very unlikely to become anything that strong I agree:

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif


True but I wouldn't worry about any system at any tme of the year unless the atmospheric environment is favorable for rapid intensification. In Alberto's case, it certainly wasn't. :wink:
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#4 Postby Stratusxpeye » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:10 am

I Don't belive anything was over hyped. It was neve reven mentioned that there'd be much of any if at all wind damage. Really everyone kept stating rain event and possible storm surge flooding (Which happeaned in crystal river and in my area here on bayshore)

Only time things even stepped up was when Alberto went through some quick intesification overnight and had a chance at 75 MPH but once out over cooler waters and daytime set in that was it for him.
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#5 Postby carjackistan » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:10 am

Eh, if anything people were more bearish than bullish on this system. Generally June storms aren't anything to panic about, including this one, but people should be aware as there is always the exception.

Alberto spawned several tornados and likely played a role in a plane crash fatality, so it wasn't completely benign.
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#6 Postby beachbum_al » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:15 am

Ken,
First I don't think anyone hyped up Alberto. Even a strong tropical storm or CAT 1 hurricane can do damage to an area. It is better to be prepare than not be.

TS Allison comes to mind as an example 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Allison

Tropical Storm Allison
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This article is about a tropical storm of 2001. For other storms of the same name, see Hurricane Allison (disambiguation).
Tropical Storm Allison Tropical storm (SSHS)

Tropical Storm Allison on June 5, 2001
Formed June 4, 2001
Dissipated June 18, 2001
Highest winds 60 mph (95 km/h) (1-minute sustained)
{{{highest gusts}}} (gusts)
{{{highest 10-min winds}}} (10-minute sustained)
{{{current winds}}} (current)

Lowest pressure 1000 mbar (hPa)
Damages $5.5 billion (2001 dollars)
Fatalities 41 direct, 14 indirect
Areas affected Texas (particularly around Houston), Louisiana, most of the Eastern United States
Part of the
2001 Atlantic hurricane season
Tropical Storm Allison was a tropical storm that devastated southeast Texas in June of the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season. The first storm of the season, Allison had an unusually long path for a June storm, which extended from Texas to the Mid-Atlantic states. Allison was also the first storm since Tropical Storm Frances in 1998 to strike the upper Texas coastline.[1]

The storm dropped heavy rainfall along its path, peaking at over 40 inches (1000 mm) in Texas. The worst of the flooding occurred in Houston, where nearly $5 billion (2001 USD) in damage occurred. There, 30,000 became homeless after the flooding destroyed 2,744 homes. 23 people died in Texas.

Throughout its entire path, Allison caused $5.5 billion (2001 USD) in damage and 41 deaths. Aside from Texas, the places worst hit were Louisiana and southeastern Pennsylvania. Allison is the only tropical storm to have its name retired without ever reaching hurricane strength.
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#7 Postby skysummit » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:20 am

Even though Alberto was weak, he did his fair share of damage for just a Tropical Storm. Numerous reports of tornados, and downed trees and powerlines. If you never been through one before, you have no idea of what 50 - 60mph feels like. It's actually pretty strong and that's the range that damage usually begins to occur. There was no overhyping. It was what it was.

***Please don't give people a false sense of security.
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Re: Lesson from weakening Alberto.......

#8 Postby drezee » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:24 am

kenl01 wrote:Don't ever hype up early season storms or early season tropical waves !

If this were late August/September, I can understand the concern that hurricanes are of course a greater threat than in June. No question about that.

But generally speaking, early season storms are relatively weak for the most part due to too much shear and cooler water still present in the tropical Atlantic basin, and Alberto was no exception.

In fact, this weak system called Alberto was about the best thing that could have happened ! Beneficial rains swept through Florida and the Carolinas, and cloud cover kept temperatures down. I was hoping for it.

Average rainfall in this area now stands at 120 % of normal for June so far. :)


Seems like someone was just trying to get a rise out of people. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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#9 Postby cmdebbie » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:25 am

I do not feel that there was any overhyping. We are on this forum to track and discuss these storms because that is our passion. Awareness of your surroundings & environment is ALWAYS a good thing in every walk of life. 8-)
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#10 Postby kenl01 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:25 am

beachbum_al wrote:Ken,
First I don't think anyone hyped up Alberto. Even a strong tropical storm or CAT 1 hurricane can do damage to an area. It is better to be prepare than not be.

TS Allison comes to mind as an example 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_Storm_Allison

Tropical Storm Allison
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is about a tropical storm of 2001. For other storms of the same name, see Hurricane Allison (disambiguation).
Tropical Storm Allison Tropical storm (SSHS)

Tropical Storm Allison on June 5, 2001
Formed June 4, 2001
Dissipated June 18, 2001
Highest winds 60 mph (95 km/h) (1-minute sustained)
{{{highest gusts}}} (gusts)
{{{highest 10-min winds}}} (10-minute sustained)
{{{current winds}}} (current)

Lowest pressure 1000 mbar (hPa)
Damages $5.5 billion (2001 dollars)
Fatalities 41 direct, 14 indirect
Areas affected Texas (particularly around Houston), Louisiana, most of the Eastern United States
Part of the
2001 Atlantic hurricane season
Tropical Storm Allison was a tropical storm that devastated southeast Texas in June of the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season. The first storm of the season, Allison had an unusually long path for a June storm, which extended from Texas to the Mid-Atlantic states. Allison was also the first storm since Tropical Storm Frances in 1998 to strike the upper Texas coastline.[1]

The storm dropped heavy rainfall along its path, peaking at over 40 inches (1000 mm) in Texas. The worst of the flooding occurred in Houston, where nearly $5 billion (2001 USD) in damage occurred. There, 30,000 became homeless after the flooding destroyed 2,744 homes. 23 people died in Texas.

Throughout its entire path, Allison caused $5.5 billion (2001 USD) in damage and 41 deaths. Aside from Texas, the places worst hit were Louisiana and southeastern Pennsylvania. Allison is the only tropical storm to have its name retired without ever reaching hurricane strength.



Sorry, but Alberto WAS NO ALLISON ! :wink:

We even had a stronger starting season in 1982 when "Alberto" formed off the SW FL coast and reached hurricane status, but then dissipated. Alberto of 2006 didn't even reach that status. In 1981, TS Arlene formed on May 7th !
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#11 Postby skysummit » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:26 am

This topic is beginning to look more and more "trolly".
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#12 Postby sunny » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:26 am

Ken, can I ask where you are from? People who are affected by tropical systems know that even a tropical storm can be devastating. I would rather a storm be "over hyped" than "under hyped".
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#13 Postby cmdebbie » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:26 am

He did not say that Alberto was Allison...perhaps you should re-read the post.
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#14 Postby sunny » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:27 am

kenl01 wrote:Sorry, but Alberto WAS NO ALLISON ! :wink:


Ah, but the key is you don't know what a storm will be until it's done!!
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#15 Postby kenl01 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:28 am

Guys, this system was NOTHING to worry about. Just a big rain maker for the most part.

Lesson learned hopefully is not to overhype these tropical systems........
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#16 Postby sunny » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:30 am

kenl01 wrote:Guys, this system was NOTHING to worry about. Just a big rain maker for the most part.

Lesson learned hopefully is not to overhype these tropical systems........


You are not listening. People cannot take chances with these things. See, the LESSON LEARNED is to never underestimate. Obviously a lesson you need to learn....
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#17 Postby skysummit » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:32 am

kenl01 wrote:Guys, this system was NOTHING to worry about. Just a big rain maker for the most part.

Lesson learned hopefully is not to overhype these tropical systems........


Dude you really need to stop.....it's becoming very obvious that you've never experienced anything tropical.
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#18 Postby kenl01 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:33 am

sunny wrote:
kenl01 wrote:Guys, this system was NOTHING to worry about. Just a big rain maker for the most part.

Lesson learned hopefully is not to overhype these tropical systems........


You are not listening. People cannot take chances with these things. See, the LESSON LEARNED is to never underestimate. Obviously a lesson you need to learn....



Nope, wrong again. Lesson learned is not to OVERESTIMATE and OVERHYPE these systems. No wonder so many coastal residence are no longer listening to warnings..... :wink:


I can understand why. I have a weather radio and 80 % of all weather warnings are irrelevant.
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#19 Postby O Town » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:33 am

sunny wrote:
kenl01 wrote:Guys, this system was NOTHING to worry about. Just a big rain maker for the most part.

Lesson learned hopefully is not to overhype these tropical systems........


You are not listening. People cannot take chances with these things. See, the LESSON LEARNED is to never underestimate. Obviously a lesson you need to learn....

Exactley, you never know what will happen it could have went either way. Easy to talk about how it was 'nothing' now in past tense. I didn't see you making informative posts about why it would be 'nothing' when it was spinning out there in the gulf.
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#20 Postby skysummit » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:34 am

Will a mod please take care of this thread. It's obvious what this poster is trying to do.
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