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Modeling showing Global Warming Increasing Atlantic Shear...

#1 Postby Derecho » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:50 pm

Thought this was interesting. So now you can blame both hyperactive and dead seasons in the Atlantic on Global Warming :-)

I've always felt that there's far too much obsession with SSTs, rather than shear, regarding total amount of activity and the strength of that activity.


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 041607.php

A change in the wind
Global warming, wind shear and future hurricane activity

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Warmer oceans feed storms, yet increased wind shear is able to also impair their intensity.

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VIRGINIA KEY, FL (April 17, 2007) -- Climate model simulations for the 21st century indicate a robust increase in wind shear in the tropical Atlantic due to global warming, which may inhibit hurricane development and intensification. Historically, increased wind shear has been associated with reduced hurricane activity and intensity. This new finding is reported in a study by scientists at the Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science at the University of Miami and NOAA’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (GFDL) in Princeton, N.J., and, scheduled to be published April 18th in Geophysical Research Letters.

While other studies have linked global warming to an increase in hurricane intensity, this study is the first to identify changes in wind shear that could counteract these effects. "The environmental changes found here do not suggest a strong increase in tropical Atlantic hurricane activity during the 21st century," said Brian Soden, Rosenstiel School associate professor of meteorology and physical oceanography and the paper’s co-author. However, the study does identify other regions, such as the western tropical Pacific, where global warming does cause the environment to become more favorable for hurricanes.

"Wind shear is one of the dominant controls to hurricane activity, and the models project substantial increases in the Atlantic," said Gabriel Vecchi, lead author of the paper and a research oceanographer at GFDL. "Based on historical relationships, the impact on hurricane activity of the projected shear change could be as large – and in the opposite sense – as that of the warming oceans."

Examining possible impacts of human-caused greenhouse warming on hurricane activity, the researchers used climate models to assess changes in the environmental factors tied to hurricane formation and intensity. They focused on projected changes in vertical wind shear over the tropical Atlantic and its ties to the Pacific Walker circulation – a vast loop of winds that influences climate across much of the globe and that varies in concert with El Niño and La Niña oscillations. By examining 18 different models, the authors identified a systematic increase in wind shear over much of the tropical Atlantic due to a slowing of the Pacific Walker circulation. Their research suggests that the increase in wind shear could inhibit both hurricane development and intensification.

"This study does not, in any way, undermine the widespread consensus in the scientific community about the reality of global warming," said Soden. "In fact, the wind shear changes are driven by global warming."

The authors also note that additional research will be required to fully understand how the increased wind shear affects hurricane activity more specifically. "This doesn't settle the issue; this is one piece of the puzzle that will contribute to an incredibly active field of research," Vecchi said.
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#2 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:09 pm

That's good to know except I have one question. How come that didn't apply to 2004 and 2005? Or did Global Warming appear in 2006?
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#3 Postby MGC » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:23 pm

Why didn't it apply to 2004 and 2005? That's a good question HurricaneHunter. I conjecture that the proponents of GW only use GW as an excuse when it (GW) fits their explanation of the world. Funny, the Weather Channel is going to talk about this topic shortly.....MGC
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#4 Postby loro-rojo » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:29 pm

Well... one cant discredit this theory by looking at 2 hurricane seasons (2004, 2005).

Ive always wondered about this theory. Ive thought of it myself a couple of times. Increased water temperatures means more and stronger El Nino, which causes shear over the Atlantic basin. I think that the idea that hurricanes will be more abundant and stronger due to higher sea temperatures is a little too simplistic. The people who push GW many times dont understand the dynamics that cause these storms.
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#5 Postby Ola » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:34 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... edType=RSS

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MIAMI (Reuters) - Global warming could increase a climate phenomenon known as wind shear that inhibits Atlantic hurricanes, a potentially positive result of climate change, according to new research released on Tuesday.

The study, to be published on Wednesday in Geophysical Research Letters, found that climate model simulations show a "robust increase" in wind shear in the tropical Atlantic during the 21st century from global warming.

Wind shear, a difference in wind speed or direction at different altitudes, tends to tear apart tropical cyclones, preventing nascent ones from growing and already-formed hurricanes from becoming the monster storms that cause the most damage.

The effect of global warming on wind shear is similar to the impact of El Nino, the periodic eastern Pacific warm-water phenomenon that tends to put a damper on Atlantic storms. The sudden development of El Nino was credited for an unexpectedly mild Atlantic season last year, when only 10 storms formed.

Debate on the likelihood that human-generated climate change contributes to hurricane development has raged since the 2005 Atlantic season, which produced a record-shattering 28 tropical storms and hurricanes.

That season saw some of the most powerful hurricanes in history and produced Katrina, which killed 1,500 people and caused $80 billion damage on the U.S. Gulf Coast. The hurricane threat roiled global oil and gas markets.

In recent years some scientists have suggested that human-induced greenhouse warming may be increasing the intensity of Atlantic hurricanes by heating up the sea water from which they draw their energy.

In February a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said it was "more likely than not" that humans contribute to a trend of increasingly intense hurricanes.

But researchers in the new study said increased wind shear could counter the effect of warming waters in the Atlantic.

"The environmental changes found in the study do not suggest a big increase in tropical Atlantic hurricane activity during the 21st century," said Brian Soden, a co-author of the report.


The increase in wind shear was only seen in the Atlantic and eastern Pacific. In the western Pacific, global warming appeared to cause both increased water temperatures and a reduction in wind shear, Soden said.

The study, by scientists at the University of Miami's Rosenstiel School and a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration lab in Princeton, New Jersey, is the first to identify changes in wind shear that could counteract the other impacts of global warming on hurricanes, the researchers said.

Soden said as the climate warms, atmospheric circulation tends to weaken and upper level westerlies shift further eastward into the Atlantic, increasing wind shear there. The effect is similar to an El Nino impact.

"The difference is that El Nino is a natural cycle, whereas the results from global warming are much smaller year-to-year but they accumulate over time," he said.

Hurricane researchers believe the Atlantic-Caribbean hurricane zone is in a period of heightened activity that began around 1995 and could last between 25 and 40 years.
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#6 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:53 pm

Keep in mind that if this does pan out, it would make Atlantic Seasons Quieter but Pacific Hurricane Seasons MUCH WORSE, and Pacific Seasons are already bad enough during EL NINO years. Also, consider that during El Nino Years Severe Weather Outbreaks are much more intense during Winter and Spring. During the 2006 El Nino, a bout of severe storms brought 70-80 mph winds in November and December associated with squall lines over the Southeast Gulf of Mexico as measured by bouys off Florida's west coast.

So nature balances out. El Nino = Less Hurricane Problems in the Atlantic = Much worse severe weather season for SE US.

So, if this argument flows:
Global Warming = More El Nino = Less Atlantic Activity = Tremendous Pacific Activity = Very Severe Weather in Some Places

ULLs tend to be much more intense in El Nino years and if thunderstorms develop in association with them those winds are brought down to the surface and can be very destructive.
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#7 Postby Aslkahuna » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:16 am

A more intense EPAC hurricane season could fit in with my thoughts that GW could make for a more active monsoon in the SW US which for some (those not dependent upon the CO River for water) could counteract the effects of lessened winter rain and snowfall in the CO River watershed.

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#8 Postby Blown Away » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:29 am

Interesting article...
I'd like to see some of the experts argue this theory.
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#9 Postby boca » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:48 am

These are just studies, someone else could come out with a theory that the Atlantic basin would be more active, the pendulum will swing back and forth.
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#10 Postby luxaeterna » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:45 pm

The Atlantic is pretty big, doesn't give much in the way of specific areas (silly details). What about the gulf & caribbean areas where we saw most of the activity for 04/05?
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Re: Modeling showing Global Warming Increasing Atlantic Shea

#11 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:54 pm

Derecho wrote:Thought this was interesting. So now you can blame both hyperactive and dead seasons in the Atlantic on Global Warming :-).
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Of course we all know anthropogenic GW is the rote of all evil, just ask Al Gore. :wink:


Seriously this is getting out of hand. If it is too dry blame GW, too wet blame GW, too cold blame GW, too hot blame GW, often even for different effects on the same region in different years! What about climactic variability people, including natural (and often currently poorly understood) cycles?
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#12 Postby Regit » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:57 pm

This article refers to models. Certainly, people on here can understand that models predict the future and have nothing to do with 2004 or 2005.

Gee, this model says it's going to snow next week. That ridiculous, because it didn't snow last week!

Come on people, put your politics down for a second and try some reasoned thinking.
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#13 Postby luxaeterna » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:06 pm

Regit wrote:This article refers to models. Certainly, people on here can understand that models predict the future and have nothing to do with 2004 or 2005.

Gee, this model says it's going to snow next week. That ridiculous, because it didn't snow last week!

Come on people, put your politics down for a second and try some reasoned thinking.


A snow event is pretty different then long range forecasting where you can see changes happen over time. Maybe we've already seen signs of it with the lack of cape verde hurricanes, but what about the gulf/caribbean area? Article lacks any useful detail to form your own opinion about.
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#14 Postby wxmann_91 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:29 pm

Though not the only factor, increased convection over the Equatorial regions of the International Date Line has been proven to increase shear of the MDR of the Atlantic thru its impacts on the Walker Circulation.

It would make sense that if Global Warming uniformly increased SST's, perhaps tropical convection would increase as well, and if that also occurs over this area, the Walker Circulation would be adversely affected. But as always, things are "favored" and not "given", so I believe that there would be less active seasons overall, but those that are active are really hyperactive.

Here's an OLR graph, above average equates to less convection and below average equates to more convection, over the Dateline. It is now pretty evident why 2005 was so much more active than 2006.

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#15 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:34 pm

the idea that global warming can increase shear is extremely straight forward

This is the equation that dictates vertical shear

u2-u1=R/f*d<T>/dy*ln(p0/p1)

if the tropics warm faster than the higher latitudes, bring on the westerly shear
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#16 Postby x-y-no » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:36 pm

Guess I can do a little "I told you so" on this one, since I've been suggesting that potential correlation for years ... :-)

Nice to see a little publicity for Rosensteil ...
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#17 Postby Derek Ortt » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:37 pm

it does not apply to 2004 and 2005 as we have not seen true warming yet, or at least at the levels that we are projected to see inthe next 100 years, if the thoery is true
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#18 Postby x-y-no » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:42 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:it does not apply to 2004 and 2005 as we have not seen true warming yet, or at least at the levels that we are projected to see inthe next 100 years, if the thoery is true


Exactly.

Plus of course a long-term trend does not rule out strong shorter-term anomalies.
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#19 Postby wxmann_91 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:45 pm

HurricaneHunter914 wrote:That's good to know except I have one question. How come that didn't apply to 2004 and 2005? Or did Global Warming appear in 2006?

Global warming is a trend. It doesn't start or stop at any one specific year.
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#20 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:24 pm

Now they are starting to pull it the "good things" like longer growing seasons and for you people less active hurricane seaons. Doe's this effect all the world or just the Atlatnic? This brings more respect to the science as they say the good and the bad.
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