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My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#1 Postby mempho » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:40 pm

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This is not an official forecast, just the opinion of the poster

Alright, let's cut to the chase. I feel that there are deep flaws in some of the risk assesments and, before I go any further, I should note that no place on America's Atlantic or Gulf Coasts is either immune or a guaranteed spot for a hurricane. Now, with the disclaimers out of the way, let's talk about what I believe is going to happen...and, more importantly, why.

First, most scientists are in agreement that this will be an active hurricane season. I agree due to the fact that there will be much less dust and SAL interplay (due to copius rains in Africa), a more active ITCZ, the decline or El Nino, and, relatedly, the decrease in overall shear across the basin.

I think everyone is predicting an above-normal season to some degree but landfall risk forecasting seems to be lacking, in my opinion. Why?

Well, my main point of consideration is the intensifying drought in the southeast and the copius rainfall across the midwest and southern plains. Consider this: Huntsville, AL is near the geographic center of the drought (and is in one of the most intensely-affected locales) and has approached a precipitation deficit of 50 inches over the past two years. Further, here in Memphis we just finished with the driest spring ever. Prior to this year, three of the four driest years were "Dust Bowl" years and this year beat them all. Not a single major hurricane made landfall in the U.S. in any of those years...but, and this is very important, this is not a "Dust Bowl" year. The "Dust Bowl" period was characterized by a drought centered west of the Mississippi River, this year the drought is centered, for all intents and purposes, in Alabama. Meanwhile, the midwest is looking very wet. So, what does that mean?

Many of you are aware of the implications of the "drought cycle" and wet cycles. I won't go into the dynamics of those here, but, suffice it to say, periods of serious drought and serious rainfall seem to self-perpetuate themselves (Wikipedia has good explanations). The Gulf south states are entering the summer very dry just as they are entering their driest months of the year (August is usually the driest). Therefore, most official outlets are going with an increase in drought and I tend to agree. This will mean very hot temperatures, increased ridging, and much drier air than is normal for the Gulf states.

Further, the increased ridging over the southeast may, in fact, mean that the normal Bermuda High is displaced a little bit. Meanwhile, the midwest will continue to have a rather moist summer. That means that most storms will ride south along the Gulf until they find that weakness in the ridge...which is likely to be on the upper TX or western Louisiana coasts. I have denoted this on the map with a circled X...I believe this to be an EXTREMELY HIGH RISK area. I have never seen such a juxtaposition between flooding and drought along the Gulf coast as we enter hurricane season. I believe this will have serious implications.

I have a graphic representation of the features at play alont with my risk assesments.

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Green= Low Risk
Orange= Moderate Risk (Could become high or low risk depending upon how the ridging develops, expands, or contracts)
Red= High Risk (S. Florida is not going to be saved by this feature....it is highly unlikely that it will work this far south)
Encircled "X"= The general vicinity is an Extreme Risk Area.

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*edited by southerngale to add the Storm2k disclaimer
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#2 Postby kba981 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:47 pm

good post. well done imo. but I dont like the tracks into florida. I and most people have had enough.
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#3 Postby HarlequinBoy » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:31 pm

Very well thought out post! Kudos..

I think you could be correct, I've read several scenarios similar to this and I think it makes sense. In two of them though they had the storms moving further east more towards the Central Gulf, rather than upper Texas, but I never thought about the "juxtaposition of flooding and drought." That's interesting.. Of course, who knows how it will really play out. =\
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#4 Postby SETXweatherwatcher » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:43 am

No! No! No! and No!

While I find your post extremely interesting, I would prefer it to not come about!!! The danger zone that you refer to is right where I am so, No!!!
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#5 Postby Okibeach » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:44 am

Nice post, I am a novice compared to most on this board, but I was wondering this exact same thing about the two extremes and what they could mean to this years hurricane season. Do you have any information or links where I could learn more about years that may have closely resembled this pattern we seem to be stuck in and how the season played out? Thanks
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#6 Postby Jagno » Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:53 am

Mempho;

Thanks for sharing your prediction with us as well as the reasoning to back it up. All this time I thought nature had a way of balancing itself and just assumed that those in the drought areas would be the first to see storms. I'm near the TX/LA border and we've had way too much rain to even fathom another storm at this point...................but we'll deal with it if your forcasts develops and we have to. :(
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#7 Postby Agua » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:11 am

Not to wish any of these things on any one else, but hope your analysis is correct as concerns MS.
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#8 Postby cajungal » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:32 am

I know I pay very close attention anytime a storm crosses south Florida. Too many times they hit Louisiana next after crossing south Florida. And esp if it hits south of Miami, like Homestead or the Keys, because the storm likely won't weaken much because of the marsh.
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#9 Postby dwg71 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:15 am

Its a possible scenerio, you could make cases for just about every area of our costline from Brownsville to Maine and back it with some sort of scientific explanation. There is just no way to predict with any certainty where hurricanes/ts will hit this year.
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#10 Postby gatorcane » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:22 am

Nice post but you didn't give much explanation of why you think the Bermuda High will be where you say it will be. For example, I don't see the logic in this statement:

"Further, the increased ridging over the southeast may, in fact, mean that the normal Bermuda High is displaced a little bit."

That is key to where you put that X.
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#11 Postby hial2 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:29 am

cajungal wrote:I know I pay very close attention anytime a storm crosses south Florida. Too many times they hit Louisiana next after crossing south Florida. And esp if it hits south of Miami, like Homestead or the Keys, because the storm likely won't weaken much because of the marsh.


Much anywhere south of Lake Okee is marsh...but ASPHALT is,unfortunately,a close second..I keep remembering the terrible (by Sfla standards) floods after Irene in 99..since then, new housing has stolen untold acres of green land...no one here talks about the potential health problems due to stagnant water after the inevitable hurricane ,just about the wind damage..
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#12 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:30 am

Hey Mempho,

I think this is important to consider and one of the factors I used when making my own forecast a few weeks ago.
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Re: My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#13 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:49 am

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Where you place the ridge on that map, I have hard time believing that a hurricane would turn so sharply northwestard from the NW Carribean into the Upper Texas or LA coasts. A more likely track would Extreme South Tx or Mexico.

Also just taking notice of the track to Florida looks impossible as the hurricane would be going against the westardly steering currents on the south side of the ridge.
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Re: My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#14 Postby skysummit » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:04 am

Thunder44 wrote:Where you place the ridge on that map, I have hard time believing that a hurricane would turn so sharply northwestard from the NW Carribean into the Upper Texas or LA coasts. A more likely track would Extreme South Tx or Mexico.

Also just taking notice of the track to Florida looks impossible as the hurricane would be going against the westardly steering currents on the south side of the ridge.


Not necessarily...it happens all the time, and the track to Florida indicates there would be a weakness in the ridge east of the U.S., so that's very likely also.
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#15 Postby mempho » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:14 pm

gatorcane wrote:Nice post but you didn't give much explanation of why you think the Bermuda High will be where you say it will be. For example, I don't see the logic in this statement:

"Further, the increased ridging over the southeast may, in fact, mean that the normal Bermuda High is displaced a little bit."

That is key to where you put that X.


The reason for this is that if there is higher pressure over the southeast, it is likely that it will correlate with lower pressure over Bermuda. If the center of a ridge is likely to be over the southeast, it is unlikely to be over Bermuda (since they are in close proximity). Certainly, a "double ridge", where there is a general area of high pressure over the entire region, is entirely possible. It just seems unlikely that the Bermuda high can extend as far to the east since we know that there is an interrelationship between high and low pressures (such as that described with the NAO).
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#16 Postby mempho » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:17 pm

dwg71 wrote:Its a possible scenerio, you could make cases for just about every area of our costline from Brownsville to Maine and back it with some sort of scientific explanation. There is just no way to predict with any certainty where hurricanes/ts will hit this year.


I'd normally agree with you. I've always thought landfall forecasting was fruitless, but the firm pattern in place this year is much more pronounced than in prior years. Hence, I feel confident in issuing such thoughts for the first time ever. Certainly, they can change. One possible "change" scenario is that smaller tropical systems get in and "pave the way" for more intense systems. Any single storm could change the dynamics for future storms. Beleive me, we are all looking for the "drought buster."
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#17 Postby mempho » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:19 pm

Okibeach wrote:Nice post, I am a novice compared to most on this board, but I was wondering this exact same thing about the two extremes and what they could mean to this years hurricane season. Do you have any information or links where I could learn more about years that may have closely resembled this pattern we seem to be stuck in and how the season played out? Thanks


One of the things I relied heavily on was looking at landfall patterns during the extreme drought years. Take a look at the 1930's...but not all of them were "extreme" drought years. Look at where the storms made landfall, where the drought was the most severe, and how strong the storms were at landfall.
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Re: My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#18 Postby mempho » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:25 pm

Thunder44 wrote:
Where you place the ridge on that map, I have hard time believing that a hurricane would turn so sharply northwestard from the NW Carribean into the Upper Texas or LA coasts. A more likely track would Extreme South Tx or Mexico.

Also just taking notice of the track to Florida looks impossible as the hurricane would be going against the westardly steering currents on the south side of the ridge.


The ridge is, of course, a general idea. Extreme south TX and Mexico are favored tracks in my forecast. Notice that both S. Texas begins a new high-risk area. A well-developed storm riding east to west in the Gulf of Mexico will be looking to turn north..that's why I favor the TX track. I also don't expect the high pressure to be building too far into Texas. Thus, the forecast. Certainly, it could shift some.

I agree that storms often do not "make the turn" as anticipated in practice. In fact, "guessing the turn" is one of the most fun things for me when it comes to watching these things. Like I said, nobody is immune and it is possible that a storm could dominate its own environment. At that point, all bets are off.
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Re: My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#19 Postby mempho » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:36 pm

OK, Time to Pay Up!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

All of you need to.... :notworthy:

J/K

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Re: My Thoughts- Hurricane Landfall Risk Forecast (LA/TX)

#20 Postby dwg71 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:02 pm

mempho wrote:OK, Time to Pay Up!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

All of you need to.... :notworthy:

J/K

:cheesy:


yes the only landfalling storm was on the upper texas coast, it had nothing to do with your reasoning. it was a homegrown storm that did not take the path you suggested.
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