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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1661 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:11 pm

I used to think it was harder to get snow here because it’s harder to get cold.

But, really it’s because you need cold and a system. And moisture. It’s harder to get all of that at one time here.

Heck, up north you can just build a snowgun and make your own snow. Here, it would barely get used.

Anyway, glad we have something to track at least.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1662 Postby Itryatgolf » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:11 pm

Harp.1 wrote:Can someone post the results of the Euro once it runs? Thanks.


It will be an important run!! I do know that
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1663 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:14 pm

I plotted the 12Z GFS for Houston (north Houston - IAH). Brief, hard freeze next Tuesday then a steady warm-up. No precip in the cold air. Still way too far out to have any confidence in any model's solution.

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1664 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:18 pm

Same 12Z GFS plot for DFW. Kind of cold next Tuesday, then a warm-up. No winter weather, just dry cold.

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1665 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:35 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:I used to think it was harder to get snow here because it’s harder to get cold.

But, really it’s because you need cold and a system. And moisture. It’s harder to get all of that at one time here.

Heck, up north you can just build a snowgun and make your own snow. Here, it would barely get used.

Anyway, glad we have something to track at least.


Warmer climate means you typically get more shallow arctic air events (ice rather than snow) due to the warmer air aloft. It's also why models struggle with projecting cold closer to the surface further south during these arctic outbreaks.

Typically to get snow (not always), you need the arctic air but also an Upper Level Low to traverse along and cool those layers above. Those particular ingredients are harder to pull off down here obviously, but as we've seen before they're definitely not impossible. Sometimes the upper level low alone (if its powerful enough) will do it for you with just continental polar air involved. We're seeing that play out further north.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1666 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:37 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1667 Postby Stratton23 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:41 pm

Now thats an amazing run by the euro!
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1668 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:44 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1669 Postby HockeyTx82 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:45 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1670 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:46 pm

wxman57 wrote:I plotted the 12Z GFS for Houston (north Houston - IAH). Brief, hard freeze next Tuesday then a steady warm-up. No precip in the cold air. Still way too far out to have any confidence in any model's solution.

http://wxman57.com/images/IAHGFS.JPG



But sir, the Euro? I was just getting my Summer gear out. Sigh.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1671 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:52 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1672 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:53 pm

If you believe the Euro much of north Texas goes below freezing early Sunday and stay below freezing until at least Weds. High pressure settles over the state so some chilly lows towards the back end.

For Central Texas it's late Sunday into early Monday and same ordeal until at least Weds. Heat Miser casa below freezing Monday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1673 Postby orangeblood » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:54 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1674 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:55 pm

12z Euro is just a little faster all around with bringing that energy/impulse out but also blast the arctic cold deeper into the state. This is why timing is going to be so critical as we get closer to the target period. Still a lot to watch but the Euro for now is clearly holding firm on the threat for winter precip early next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1675 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:55 pm

Ntxw wrote:If you believe the Euro much of north Texas goes below freezing early Sunday and stay below freezing until at least Weds. High pressure settles over the state so some chilly lows towards the back end.

For Central Texas it's late Sunday into early Monday and same ordeal until at least Weds. Heat Miser casa below freezing Monday.



As our long range guy and he, our hurricane specialist, I shall prepare for the worst. Shall I send a snow plow to him?
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1676 Postby South Texas Storms » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:56 pm

Edwards Limestone wrote:1.5" in my backyard this AM. That's a very impressive (and much needed) 3.75" since January 1st!


Wow, way more than expected, congrats! Most models had your area seeing up to 0.75 inch at most.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1677 Postby wxman57 » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:57 pm



I said that the GFS was forecasting dry cold. Big difference from me forecasting it. By the way, the EC is the only model (out of GFS, CMC, and ICON) forecasting any precip in the cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1678 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:58 pm

Tireman4 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:If you believe the Euro much of north Texas goes below freezing early Sunday and stay below freezing until at least Weds. High pressure settles over the state so some chilly lows towards the back end.

For Central Texas it's late Sunday into early Monday and same ordeal until at least Weds. Heat Miser casa below freezing Monday.



As our long range guy and he, our hurricane specialist, I shall prepare for the worst. Shall I send a snow plow to him?


He will need it! Anything under 100F is too cold for him.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1679 Postby Ntxw » Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:01 pm

That Pacific block is going to prevent any kind of major warm up. Thank goodness this is a January blast because at least you know there's plenty of winter left still. W-Can is still well below normal.
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Re: Texas Winter 2023-2024

#1680 Postby Portastorm » Mon Jan 08, 2024 2:01 pm

Today's "little" front is nothing to sneeze at ... temperatures in Travis County dropped some 20 degrees in about an hour. NW winds now already gusting between 30-40 mph and that is supposed to continue until tomorrow morning with an increase in gusts to close to 50 mph!

Unfortunately we just got some spits of rain. The front boat-raced the Hill Country convection this morning so that took any "oompf" out of the rains.
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