Rgv20 wrote:Hey Ntxw have you seen the latest forecast on the Stratosphere Temperatures......Look at that crazy Stratospheric Warming forecast from the GFS!
Funny I just had a conversation with Portastorm about it


Moderator: S2k Moderators
Rgv20 wrote:Hey Ntxw have you seen the latest forecast on the Stratosphere Temperatures......Look at that crazy Stratospheric Warming forecast from the GFS!
weatherdude1108 wrote:You know those contrails in the sky that are left by airplanes as they fly at high altitudes? Went out to let dog outside. Looked up at the full moon, and noticed a set of two contrails that were paralleling each other. I followed those and saw another set of two contrails crisscrossing the original set of two contrails, not quite at 90 degrees. My camera picked up the moon, but could not pick up the contrails. Were they four separate planes flying in pairs? Atmospheric testing? Very PECULIAR(??). Didn't know if anyone on this board has any insight into contrailing(?).
wxman57 wrote:My thoughts? I've had enough winter now. Dreaming of 90F warmth and long summer bike rides.
However, I don't expect any 90F temps over the next few weeks. Next week's storm system has a good chance of dropping more snow on north Texas around next Wednesday. However, the 12z GFS has a much weaker trof axis than earlier runs. I suspect it is in error. The southern stream should remain active for the next few weeks, bringing additional bouts of snow to TX (north TX, not SE TX). Wouldn't be surprised to see snow as far south as Waco in the next few weeks. Don't see any indication of extreme cold across TX (no, I don't mean below 80, I mean low 20s or colder in Houston, for example). It'll be just cold enough to be miserable to me without the joy of any near-80F days.
Comanche wrote:Not sure if you guys have seen this or not. I feel this is as good an explanation of the GFS vs. Euro as you will get...
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2012/12/r ... rvice.html
"...The National Weather Service efforts in global and national prediction are being undermined by lack of computer power. This is not just my opinion--ask leaders inside the weather service, National Academy committees, or knowledgeable folks in the field and they will tell you the same thing. Why are ECMWF's forecasts so much better than the NWS's? A big part of it is that ECMWF has the computer power to run their high-resolution global forecast at 16 km resolution, while ours is 25 km, their ensemble forecasting system has twice the resolution, and they can use an advanced data assimilation approach (4DVAR) that requires a lot of computer resources.
Consider the difference in the computer resources available to ECMWF versus the National Weather Service's Environmental Modeling Center (EMC), and keep in mind that EMC has a much wider range of responsibility (includes high resolution national and regional forecasting) than ECMWF (which does only global forecasting).
ECMWF has two machines, each with 24546 cores and a computational ability of .75 petaflops (thousand trillion floating point operations per second). These machines are #37 and 38 on the worldwide list of top 500 computers. The National Weather Service has two computers that are not even on the top 500 list. Each has 4992 processors and an ability to do .07 petaflops. You see the problem? The NWS has less than 10% of the computer power as ECMWF and has many more responsibilities..."
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
904 PM CST THU DEC 27 2012
TXZ091>093-100>102-115-116-129-281115-
/O.NEW.KFWD.WW.Y.0003.121228T1000Z-121228T1800Z/
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-
EASTLAND-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BOWIE...NOCONA...GAINESVILLE...
SHERMAN...DENISON...GRAHAM...OLNEY...JACKSBORO...DECATUR...
BRIDGEPORT...BRECKENRIDGE...MINERAL WELLS...CISCO...EASTLAND...
RANGER...GORMAN
904 PM CST THU DEC 27 2012
...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 4 AM TO NOON CST
FRIDAY...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A WINTER
WEATHER ADVISORY FOR FREEZING DRIZZLE...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 4
AM TO NOON CST FRIDAY.
* TIMING...DRIZZLE IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN OVER THE ADVISORY AREA
WITH ABOVE FREEZING TEMPERATURES AFTER MIDNIGHT. AFTER 4 AM A
COLD FRONT IS EXPECTED TO MOVE INTO THE ADVISORY AREA...BRINGING
SURFACE TEMPERATURES BELOW FREEZING. DRIZZLE IS EXPECTED TO
CONTINUE WHILE TEMPERATURES SLOWLY DROP THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY
MORNING RESULTING IN FREEZING DRIZZLE. FREEZING DRIZZLE IS
EXPECTED TO DIMINISH BY LATE FRIDAY MORNING.
* MAIN IMPACT...FREEZING DRIZZLE WILL LEAVE A LIGHT GLAZE OF
ICE...PRIMARILY ON ELEVATED SURFACES AND ROADWAYS...SUCH AS
BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES. THIS LIGHT GLAZE OF ICE WILL MAKE FOR
VERY DANGEROUS DRIVING CONDITIONS.
* OTHER IMPACTS...DRIZZLE AND FREEZING DRIZZLE MAY REDUCE
VISIBILITIES BELOW ONE MILE AT TIMES THROUGH LATE FRIDAY
MORNING.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF WINTER
PRECIPITATION MAY CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR
ICY SPOTS ON ELEVATED ROADWAYS AND PLAN ON SOME TRAVEL DELAYS.
somethingfunny wrote:weatherdude1108 wrote:So I got a LaCrosse wireless weather station from Santa. Has an indoor/outdoor temp/hygrometer, rain sensor, and anemometer. The directions say to put everything on same side of house. But they also say it is good to put temp/hygrometer on north side of house, but anemometer must face due south (solar powered). My roof faces north and south, so they would be on opposite sides of house if I put temp/humidity sensor on north side and wind on south side. I'm guessing I have to put everything on south side. But I do have a couple eaves on the south side that are facing north. Would that be more accurate? The sensors are covered in white colored covers that are vented like the pro mets have. Anyway, I know there is a forum for weather stations, but haven't found current one.anyway, looking forward to using it and reporting!
I've got the same conundrum. I need to put my Acu-Rite five-in-one station in the shade so I'll get accurate temperature readings... but if it's in the shade, how will my rain gauge get rained on??? I haven't set it up yet, and I'm thinking about buying a separate rain gauge or a separate thermometer to compensate.![]()
As for the next storm... we're still a long way out from it. The GFS is doing the usual thing it does by showing the storm at long-range, then dropping it in mid-range (where we are now) while the ECMWF continues to depict the storm. If this unfolds the way it usually does, the GFS will suddenly pick the storm up again two or three days out. Of course no model really knows what's going on until the upper level system comes ashore the west coast and we can send weather balloons up to sample its' attributes. The pattern sure looks good.
My snow is just about all gone here in south Garland, I'm thinking about driving up to Oklahoma or Arkansas this weekend to do some sledding and hiking in the snow-covered forests.
MODELS CONTINUE TO FORECAST A WEST COAST TROF FOR
SUNDAY...ALTHOUGH NOT A CUTOFF LOW LIKE YESTERDAY/S RUN. ECMWF
LOOKS MORE LIKE YESTERDAY/S AND TODAY/S GFS WITH AN OPEN WAVE
MOVING ACROSS TEXAS ON MONDAY. GFS ENSEMBLES SUPPORT THIS
SOLUTION TOO...WITH ONLY ONE MEMBER CUTTING OFF THE LOW NOW
COMPARED WITH FIVE YESTERDAY. WITH MORE CONFIDENCE IN A
PROGRESSIVE UPPER TROF...HAVE CONTINUED THE SUNDAY EVENING AND
MONDAY POPS BUT DROPPED THE WIDESPREAD POPS FOR TUESDAY. LOW POPS
REMAIN IN THE EAST TUESDAY MORNING FOR THE EXITING SYSTEM.
ALTHOUGH THE GFS REMAINS DRY ON WEDNESDAY...THE ECMWF FORECASTS A
WAVE PULLING MOISTURE NORTH OF THE FRONT AND I HAVE INDICATED LOW
POPS FOR THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST. TEMPERATURE PROFILES CONTINUE
TO SUPPORT A RAIN EVENT WITH FREEZING TEMPERATURES OCCURRING
AFTER PRECIP ENDS. IF THE UPPER SYSTEM DOES BECOME CUTOFF AND/OR
SLOWER...FREEZING PRECIPITATION WOULD COME BACK INTO PLAY. 84
&&
Portastorm wrote:Suffice to say that the operational runs from King Euro and the GFS appear to be in some discordance with the ensembles. We saw this with the last system and as Wxman57 has told us many times before ... don't buy into the model solutions until a few days before an event, even if at then.
The pattern itself still suggests the potential for more cold air dumps and a noisy, active subtropical jet.
Comanche wrote:Not sure if you guys have seen this or not. I feel this is as good an explanation of the GFS vs. Euro as you will get...
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2012/12/r ... rvice.html
"...The National Weather Service efforts in global and national prediction are being undermined by lack of computer power. This is not just my opinion--ask leaders inside the weather service, National Academy committees, or knowledgeable folks in the field and they will tell you the same thing. Why are ECMWF's forecasts so much better than the NWS's? A big part of it is that ECMWF has the computer power to run their high-resolution global forecast at 16 km resolution, while ours is 25 km, their ensemble forecasting system has twice the resolution, and they can use an advanced data assimilation approach (4DVAR) that requires a lot of computer resources.
Consider the difference in the computer resources available to ECMWF versus the National Weather Service's Environmental Modeling Center (EMC), and keep in mind that EMC has a much wider range of responsibility (includes high resolution national and regional forecasting) than ECMWF (which does only global forecasting).
ECMWF has two machines, each with 24546 cores and a computational ability of .75 petaflops (thousand trillion floating point operations per second). These machines are #37 and 38 on the worldwide list of top 500 computers. The National Weather Service has two computers that are not even on the top 500 list. Each has 4992 processors and an ability to do .07 petaflops. You see the problem? The NWS has less than 10% of the computer power as ECMWF and has many more responsibilities..."
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:I'd gladly take that snow here in Houston. It would shut the city down for a solid week.
gpsnowman wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RT7t350moQ0
I found some old footage of WFAA Channel 8 from January of 1985. Check out a younger Troy Dungan forecast a snowstorm for early Feb 85. His forecast starts around 4min50sec. Notice how casual and nonchalant he is with this particular winter storm. If a winter storm like this happened today the hype and coverage would be astronomical. How times have changed. I was 11 years old when this storm came through but I remember it very well. It was our first winter back in Dallas after living in San Antonio for 3 years. Ahh the childhood memories that feed my adult winter addiction!!!!
Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 412 guests