0z GGEM/GFS further Southeast w/ DEC 1-3...OV/Lakes/NE snow
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GGEM further south again at 0z w/ the DEC 1-3 event, supports the GFS 12z FRI and 0z SAT runs. but we'll see.
SLP exits of the MA coast-- s/w is forced southward since the PV is suppressing the pattern and the SE ridge is all but gone.
the GGEM also indicates that the event moves NE to NF and becoems the New 50-50 low which thereby shortens the wavelengths and turns the NAO negative.
this Sort of Supports the ECMWF solution in the longer range.
SLP exits of the MA coast-- s/w is forced southward since the PV is suppressing the pattern and the SE ridge is all but gone.
the GGEM also indicates that the event moves NE to NF and becoems the New 50-50 low which thereby shortens the wavelengths and turns the NAO negative.
this Sort of Supports the ECMWF solution in the longer range.
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Not quite...but close though. its just a piece of energy hanging back and b/c the trough is positively tilted the ridging develops upstream of the trough instead of downstream and overtop if it was positively tilted.
If the energy was to cutoff (closes off and almost seperates from the flow) and the ridge were to develop to the North of it that would be considered a REX BLOCK. But in any case the Jet is being deflected around it so the trough has no choice but to reposition its self further east. It can have close to the same effect as a +PNA pattern WRT sending the longwave trough into the east, but its NOT a true PNA ridge.
BTW notice the s/w sliding down into the upper midwest, I would watch that closely IF its allowed to dig, howeve Im not sure the Jet is strong enough to drive it south.
If the energy was to cutoff (closes off and almost seperates from the flow) and the ridge were to develop to the North of it that would be considered a REX BLOCK. But in any case the Jet is being deflected around it so the trough has no choice but to reposition its self further east. It can have close to the same effect as a +PNA pattern WRT sending the longwave trough into the east, but its NOT a true PNA ridge.
BTW notice the s/w sliding down into the upper midwest, I would watch that closely IF its allowed to dig, howeve Im not sure the Jet is strong enough to drive it south.
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wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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SO...If you were in my position and you had to choose...Which would it be a PNA+ OR a NAO-.....If you were allowed to choose only 1. Which would have the most effect on the SE US.
PS: I hope we get a good 1 of those this season.
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Wnghs2007 wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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SO...If you were in my position and you had to choose...Which would it be a PNA+ OR a NAO-.....If you were allowed to choose only 1. Which would have the most effect on the SE US.
PS: I hope we get a good 1 of those this season.
-NAO clearly
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wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!! I want 250 inches of snow in the entire season LOL!! (Like I have a snowball's chance in Hell of ever seeing that in Virginia LOL LOL LOL!!!) I want SEVERE Ice-Age magnitude FRIGID COLD!!! I want Washington DC to be shut down for three weeks!! Yeah baby I LOVE winter!!!
Man I REALLY enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
Yeah Stormsfury, wxguy25, donsutherland1 and all of the big-time mets on this board, PLEASE teach me winter meteorology until it is coming out of my ears LOL!!! I want to be able to cite it BACK to you!!!! YEAH, BRING IT!! BRING IT!! Hey, I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!
-Jeb
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Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
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Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
LOL. Ill post something tomorrow dealing w/ the different types of Blocking/teleconnection patterns...etc w/ actual examples from the past. that should help everyone understand this stuff.
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wxguy25 wrote:Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
LOL. Ill post something tomorrow dealing w/ the different types of Blocking/teleconnection patterns...etc w/ actual examples from the past. that should help everyone understand this stuff.
Thanks...wxguy25....and hey do you have a name...If you ever mentioned it before Im sorry but I cant remember it?
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Isn't a Rex Block is when you have a cut-off low and the jet stream flows around that low and then west to east with a ridge on the West side of it forcing everything North around the Low. If it was positioned in the West this would mean Cold Air for the east.
Please correct me on these.
A Omega Block is a huge ridge that builds far north and everything must ride up and over it.
Please correct me on these.
A Omega Block is a huge ridge that builds far north and everything must ride up and over it.
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wxguy25 wrote:Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
LOL. Ill post something tomorrow dealing w/ the different types of Blocking/teleconnection patterns...etc w/ actual examples from the past. that should help everyone understand this stuff.
Please do, wxguy25!! I can hardly wait!! Sure I'm certifiably crazy about winter weather and snow, I have been for over 30 years LOL!!! Please explain EVERYTHING concerning synoptics and global teleconnections that pertains to a TON of frigid cold and snow in the East US and South!!!! Then I am going to pray hard for it!!! Better watch out East US, cuz it'll be worse than Feb 2003!!!!! NO, MAKE THAT JANUARY-MARCH 1996!!!
What on earth is CSI banding?
What is a deformation zone and why the heck don't I ever see one in northern Virginia lol?
What is a BUFKIT sounding?
I'm trying to think of as many of these met terms as I can that I always see tossed around when there is a BIG snow event in the East. Yeah I'll think of more.....
-Yeah it's ARCTIC JEB and I'm ready for winter!!!!!!
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Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!! I want 250 inches of snow in the entire season LOL!! (Like I have a snowball's chance in Hell of ever seeing that in Virginia LOL LOL LOL!!!) I want SEVERE Ice-Age magnitude FRIGID COLD!!! I want Washington DC to be shut down for three weeks!! Yeah baby I LOVE winter!!!
Man I REALLY enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
Oh GOOD LORD!!! Did you have fun editing that...LOL>....SHHESSH. If you ever have that type winter I will be coming up there to join you...LOL
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Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
Nope, Wnghs2007, I don't EVER get enough snow. I never get tired of snow, and you'll never hear me complain about digging it with a construction-grade, square-edged hardened shovel either. I love the snow, the deeper the better and the colder and the stronger the wind, the better!!! While the Virginia Department of Transportation's vehicles and plows are hopelessly mired in the snow, I'll be effortlessly digging mass amounts of snow and piling it up, going out of my way to be certain it's piled up super-high on the NORTHERN SIDES of solar-insolation-blocking objects such as houses and dense shrubs!!!!
There is never enough snow and cold.
You can take that as an axiom.
-Arctic Jeb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring It!!
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Jeb wrote:Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!!
Man I really enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
God!!! I have to go to Siberia and get you more snow. After your worst blizzard ever. Sheesh...Dont you ever get enough snow. LOL
I guess I better Crank up the ole WX Generator again.
Nope, Wnghs2007, I don't EVER get enough snow. I never get tired of snow, and you'll never hear me complain about digging it with a construction-grade, square-edged hardened shovel either. I love the snow, the deeper the better and the colder and the stronger the wind, the better!!! While the Virginia Department of Transportation's vehicles and plows are hopelessly mired in the snow, I'll be effortlessly digging mass amounts of snow and piling it up, going out of my way to be certain it's piled up super-high on the NORTHERN SIDES of solar-insolation-blocking objects such as houses and dense shrubs!!!!
There is never enough snow and cold.
You can take that as an axiom.
-Arctic Jeb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring It!!
Excuse me...I think the WX GENERATOR IS NOW WARMED UP ENOUGHT TO USE
LOL
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Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!! I want 250 inches of snow in the entire season LOL!! (Like I have a snowball's chance in Hell of ever seeing that in Virginia LOL LOL LOL!!!) I want SEVERE Ice-Age magnitude FRIGID COLD!!! I want Washington DC to be shut down for three weeks!! Yeah baby I LOVE winter!!!
Man I REALLY enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
Oh GOOD LORD!!! Did you have fun editing that...LOL>....SHHESSH. If you ever have that type winter I will be coming up there to join you...LOL
How did you guess? Yep Wnghs2007 I had a wonderful time editing my earlier message!! I love messageboards too!! It's SO MUCH FUN editing these posts on this messageboard!! Yeah I have TWO Invisionboards (one is a version 1.3 and the other is a version 2.0.2.!!!! ) AND a PHPBB version 2.0.6.!!!
Yeah I really ENJOYED EDITING that post!!!!!
You just GOTTA LOVE these web-based messageboards!!!!
-Arctic Jeb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring It!!!
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Jeb wrote:Wnghs2007 wrote:Jeb wrote:wxguy25 wrote:THIS is a PNA ridge: DEC 27, 2001
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I really LOVE that PNA Ridge!!! Come ON, -NAO!!!! I want a SEVERE winter!!! I want 250 inches of snow in the entire season LOL!! (Like I have a snowball's chance in Hell of ever seeing that in Virginia LOL LOL LOL!!!) I want SEVERE Ice-Age magnitude FRIGID COLD!!! I want Washington DC to be shut down for three weeks!! Yeah baby I LOVE winter!!!
Man I REALLY enjoy these discussions!!! Keep 'em up everyone!!
-Jeb
Oh GOOD LORD!!! Did you have fun editing that...LOL>....SHHESSH. If you ever have that type winter I will be coming up there to join you...LOL
How did you guess? Yep Wnghs2007 I had a wonderful time editing my earlier message!! I love messageboards too!! It's SO MUCH FUN editing these posts on this messageboard!! Yeah I have TWO Invisionboards (one is a version 1.3 and the other is a version 2.0.2.!!!! ) AND a PHPBB version 2.0.6.!!!
Yeah I really ENJOYED EDITING that post!!!!!
You just GOTTA LOVE these web-based messageboards!!!!
-Arctic Jeb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bring It!!!
Thats really cool
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