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#2021 Postby Tammie » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:38 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:It dropped to 29 last night and nnowrise to 34 with the cloud cover, dp is 26. The morning models are pretty much unchanged from previous runs. The RGEM is most aggressive with an inch of ice for FW and icing north of I-20 in East Texas. Others hold the ice 50 to 100 miles further NW as they are askew with the precip and warmer.


Good morning sir! I asked this question several pages ago and no one responded. Can you please explain to me how the dew point plays into moisture and the impact it has on our temperature. I know it played a key role in our ice storm last year, but can't remember the specifics. TIA!
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#2022 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:04 am

When it is a clear calm night the do is the lowest the treo can fall. When precip falls the temp will drop towards the dp and the dp will rise slightly also. Say the temp is 34 and the dp is 26 like it is at my place, if precip started falling the temp would end up somewhere around around 30.
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#2023 Postby Tammie » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:10 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:When it is a clear calm night the do is the lowest the treo can fall. When precip falls the temp will drop towards the dp and the dp will rise slightly also. Say the temp is 34 and the dp is 26 like it is at my place, if precip started falling the temp would end up somewhere around around 30.


Very interesting! Thank you so much!
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2024 Postby natlib » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:24 am

Slick...slick...slick in San Angelo this morning. Lots of wrecks last night. Nothing heavy, but as we all know....an extended period of freezing drizzle is the worst for the roads. Can anyone say Black ICE!!!
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#2025 Postby texas1836 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:31 am

31' here at the DWC in McKinney. I walked outside to get the smoker fired up and the deck was wet, no ice and the grass isn't crunchy and the tall undergrowth is free of ice, just wet. RATS!!!!
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#2026 Postby iorange55 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:35 am

texas1836 wrote:31' here at the DWC in McKinney. I walked outside to get the smoker fired up and the deck was wet, no ice and the grass isn't crunchy and the tall undergrowth is free of ice, just wet. RATS!!!!


Why would you want ice? Ya' silly goose! It's not like you can have an iceball fight with anyone.
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#2027 Postby Portastorm » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:38 am

natlib wrote:Slick...slick...slick in San Angelo this morning. Lots of wrecks last night. Nothing heavy, but as we all know....an extended period of freezing drizzle is the worst for the roads. Can anyone say Black ICE!!!


Thanks for the report and be safe! I'm starting to see numerous icing reports from the western Hill Country near Rocksprings and Harper.
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#2028 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:39 am

Looking at things quickly this morning it still appears to me that east of I-35 the freezing rain potential will be determined by how quickly the precip arrives anywhere it arrives before around 7AM has a good chance of it freezing as DPs are going to be in the 20s.
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#2029 Postby texas1836 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:42 am

iorange55 wrote:
texas1836 wrote:31' here at the DWC in McKinney. I walked outside to get the smoker fired up and the deck was wet, no ice and the grass isn't crunchy and the tall undergrowth is free of ice, just wet. RATS!!!!


Why would you want ice? Ya' silly goose! It's not like you can have an iceball fight with anyone.

Like some of the others, if it's gonna be this cold, give me whatcha got!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2030 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:49 am

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Northern Wichita County this morning. 16 degrees.
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#2031 Postby Portastorm » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:51 am

:uarrow:

Nice! I'd say you're our "winner" so far. Looks wintry there!
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#2032 Postby Kelarie » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:57 am

From Shreveport NWS

...MODELS CONTINUE ON THE SAME TRACK AND TIMING WITH THE ADVANCING
UPPER LOW AS PREVIOUS RUNS AND IN GOOD AGREEMENT THOUGH 00Z
SATURDAY...PLACING THE CENTER OVER SOUTHWEST NEW MEXICO. THEN BY
12Z SATURDAY...GFS OPENS UP AND ACCELERATES A TROUGH TO THE MID
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. EXPECT THE ONSET OF LIGHT PRECIPITATION FROM
THIS SYSTEM ACROSS THE WESTERN ZONES LATE TONIGHT INTO EARLY
THURSDAY...FOLLOWED BY MORE WIDESPREAD AND MODERATE RAIN LATER IN
THE DAY. WITH THE COLD...DRY AIR IN PLACE AHEAD OF THE RAIN...SOME
LIGHT FREEZING RAIN IS POSSIBLE WHERE TEMPERATURES ARE BELOW
FREEZING. AT THIS TIME...IT LOOKS LIKE AREAS ALONG AND NORTH OF
INTERSTATE 30 IN NORTHEAST TEXAS...INTO SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA WOULD
HAVE A SMALL CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN. POINTS FURTHER EAST WILL BE
BELOW FREEZING...BUT ANY SIGNIFICANT PRECIPITATION SHOULD HOLD OFF
UNTIL AROUND MID MORNING...ALLOWING TEMPERATURES TO CLIMB ABOVE
FREEZING. CONFIDENCE STILL REMAINS LOW THAT THE RAIN WILL BEGIN
BEFORE TEMPS CLIMB ABOVE FREEZING...EVEN IN NORTHEAST TEXAS...SO
ATTM WILL MENTION IN FORECAST ONLY FOR THE WESTERN MOST COUNTIES.
AN ADVISORY MAY BE NEEDED LATER TODAY IF RAINFALL LOOKS MORE THAN
A TRACE...
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2033 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:12 am

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
807 AM CST WED DEC 31 2014

...FREEZING RAIN AND DRIZZLE EXPECTED TODAY THROUGH THE MORNING
OF NEW YEARS DAY...

.A SHALLOW...COLD...ARCTIC AIR-MASS HAS SETTLED OVER SOUTH
CENTRAL TEXAS TODAY...AND WILL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGH NEW YEARS
DAY. AREAS OF FREEZING RAIN AND FREEZING DRIZZLE ARE DEVELOPING
ACROSS THE SOUTHERN EDWARDS PLATEAU AND THE WESTERN HILL COUNTRY
EARLY THIS MORNING...AND ARE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR MUCH OF
THIS NEW YEARS EVE AND INTO THE LATE MORNING HOURS OF NEW YEARS
DAY. TEMPERATURES MAY ONLY BRIEFLY CLIMB ABOVE FREEZING LATE
TODAY BEFORE QUICKLY FALLING BACK BELOW FREEZING EARLY THIS
EVENING. THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT SIGNIFICANT ICE
ACCUMULATIONS WILL DEVELOP TODAY INTO THIS EVENING...ESPECIALLY
ALONG AND NORTH OF A COMSTOCK TO BOERNE TO BURNET LINE. MOST ICE
ACCUMULATIONS SHOULD BE LESS THAN 1/10 INCH...BUT A AREAS OF
SLEET MIXED IN WITH THE RAIN COULD PRODUCE LOCALLY HIGHER ICE
ACCUMULATIONS OF AROUND 1/4 INCH. WITH STEEP ROAD INCLINES FOUND
OVER MUCH OF THE EDWARDS PLATEAU AND HILL COUNTRY...EVEN A
FREEZING RAINFALL AMOUNT OF ONE HUNDREDTH OF AN INCH COULD
PRODUCE EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS.

TXZ171-172-183>190-312300-
/O.EXT.KEWX.WS.W.0003.141231T1407Z-150101T1800Z/
LLANO-BURNET-VAL VERDE-EDWARDS-REAL-KERR-BANDERA-GILLESPIE-
KENDALL-BLANCO-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...LLANO...BURNET...DEL RIO...
ROCKSPRINGS...LEAKEY...KERRVILLE...BANDERA...FREDERICKSBURG...
BOERNE...BLANCO
807 AM CST WED DEC 31 2014

...WINTER STORM WARNING NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST THURSDAY...

* TIMING...TODAY THROUGH NOON THURSDAY (NEW YEARS DAY).

* MAIN IMPACT...FREEZING RAIN MAY ACCUMULATE ON MANY ELEVATED
SURFACES AND ROADWAYS...ESPECIALLY BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES
ACROSS THE HILL COUNTRY.

* ICE ACCUMULATIONS WILL AVERAGE A TRACE TO ONE-TENTH OF AN
INCH. HOWEVER...THERE MAY BE A BAND OF SLIGHTLY HIGHER
ACCUMULATIONS TO ONE-QUARTER INCH ACROSS THE NORTHWESTERN HILL
COUNTRY.
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#2034 Postby natlib » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:21 am

San Angelo weather service expecting heavier event after 6 pm tonight. Looks like everyone SHOULD ring in the new year at home tonight.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2035 Postby orangeblood » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:23 am

12Z NAM continues the colder/wetter trend....the drive from Fort Worth to Abilene tomorrow morning will be an ice rink. As in most winter storms, I'd imagine Ranger Hill being shut down for awhile so plan accordingly.

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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2036 Postby texas1836 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:39 am

orangeblood wrote:12Z NAM continues the colder/wetter trend....the drive from Fort Worth to Abilene tomorrow morning will be an ice rink. As in most winter storms, I'd imagine Ranger Hill being shut down for awhile so plan accordingly.

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That looks promising. Where did you get that image?
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#2037 Postby Ralph's Weather » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:41 am

This has the potential of being really bad given that the worst could be around time people will be between midnight and 8AM NYE night.
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2038 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:53 am

A quick look at observations across Central and E Texas into Western Louisiana show near or just below freezing temperatures at Georgetown near Austin. Temperatures in Lufkin are near 34-36 and in Jasper into the Piney Woods E Texas and Western Louisiana near Dequincy temperatures are near the 34-36F range. Dewpoints here in NW Harris County have dropped to 32 and the air temperature is 39F.
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#2039 Postby gpsnowman » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:59 am

Steve McCauley10 mins · Edited · .The stage is now set for the development of a wintry mix across north Texas. Here in the Metroplex, it is not expected to begin until after midnight tonight. A broad area of sleet and freezing rain will approach from the southwest and should cover the northwest half of north Texas (including most of the Metroplex except the SE corner) by daybreak Thursday. Southeastern areas will see a cold rain.

Once this morning's new weather data sets come in, we will have the latest l...ook at where that freeze line is expected to be, but the overall outlook does not change. The farther west you are in the Metroplex, the more significant the ice will be. The farther east you go the amount of time for frozen precipitation becomes less and less. The transition to all rain will progress from SE to NW throughout Thursday morning until ALL DFW area locations go to a cold rain by Thursday afternoon.

One VERY INTERESTING observation I would like to point out: the Tech model goes for ALL RAIN for ALL locations for ALL times in the Metroplex, including Denton County! It, like all other computer models, thinks there will be a layer of warm air aloft - sort of like a cap - and the rain will be heavy enough that it will drag down this warm air quickly raising surface temperatures to above freezing!

While I have seen this happen in the past and completely bust an ice forecast, I would not want to bet on it this time around. There is only a 1 to 2 degree margin of error between rain and freezing rain, so it is best to er on the side of caution. I certainly would not be upset if the Tech Model turned out to be true!

For those of you who prefer a more intense winter storm (who are you people?), you will want to place your bet on the Canadian Model. It "almost" entombs the entire Metroplex in ice by Thursday morning. It thinks the warm air aloft will not be enough to compensate for the cold air that will be in place at the surface and therefore thinks the rain will just freeze on impact across the entire area.

Obviously our forecast lies somewhere in between these two extremes (which is usually where the truth can be found). But I hope you can see that the difference between a simple cold rain and a "city shutdown" is only about 1 to 2 degrees on your thermometer.

So again, stay tuned for the next update now that we are finally within 24 hours of the event itself.

The lastest from Steve Mccauley
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Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2040 Postby srainhoutx » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:03 am

The very cold upper trough is over the San Diego area and the much expected closed core upper low has indeed closed off over Southern California into the NW Mexico Baja area. The disturbance that was just SW of that upper trough over the Eastern Pacific yesterday is now ejecting E across Northern Mexico and will be our upper air disturbance that should bring all the wintry mischief across Texas this afternoon into tomorrow.

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