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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2101 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:04 pm

Severe Thunderstorm Warning for the Texarkana area. There are Tornado Warnings to my NE in Central Arkansas.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2102 Postby gpsnowman » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:09 pm

I think it is getting to the point where rain would be a good thing, cold or not. A cold rain would be fine with me. As much as I would love to see a big snowstorm in DFW, Austin, or Houston, this dry pattern is getting boring. A big winter rain event would be great. Snow might come or it may not. I am pulling for the former obviously. Still a long way to go though. Snow Gods, do your magic.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2103 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 26, 2016 7:22 pm

If the -EPO and -WPO forecasts pans, it would be the most negative period thus far this winter. They are the key to the colder outcomes. AO/NAO will lower as well which means the southeast ridge will get a shove to the Caribbean for a little bit. If we can get the AO to trend negative that would keep it colder for longer

The latest Euro Ensembles are showing strong clustering again of above normal ridging over the Aleutians/Alaska region moving into the second week of January. The next few weeks is winter's climo for coldest averages. It would be really nice to see anomalous cold this time of year for cold lovers.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2104 Postby gatorcane » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:03 pm

Cpv17 wrote:Is the GFS backing off on the cold? It appears so to me anyway. Maybe one of those situations where it shows it in the long range, then loses it, & gets it back inside a few days?


Yes it has backed off a little but it is just one run and it still shows some cold into Texas. Let's see what the 00Z guidance shows.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2105 Postby Brent » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:06 pm

gpsnowman wrote:I think it is getting to the point where rain would be a good thing, cold or not. A cold rain would be fine with me. As much as I would love to see a big snowstorm in DFW, Austin, or Houston, this dry pattern is getting boring. A big winter rain event would be great. Snow might come or it may not. I am pulling for the former obviously. Still a long way to go though. Snow Gods, do your magic.


I am coming to agreement with this... we were talking about at work today how there just hasn't been any real rain in weeks or months... I just want a widespread soaker at this point. The snow well given where we live is never guaranteed, but of course I want to see it too, but first we need a good rain.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2106 Postby JDawg512 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:06 pm

Portastorm wrote:Meanwhile, in real weather, Austin set new record highs today with 84 at KATT and 85 at KAUS. Wxman57 remains firmly in control


Yup! The Heat Miser is dominating.

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He's keeping the rain from Austin too...
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2107 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:11 pm

I don't think we'll be seeing much heavy rain the next couple of months for a few reasons. First winter is the dry season and second it is a La Nina atmosphere. Tropical convection is strongest over Indonesia and the far WPAC which is not good for us. Partly the reason we can't seem to get a good bout of rain and most rain forecasts have underachieved as the central and eastern Pacific have mostly been devoid of a tropical convection to link.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2108 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:22 pm

With the NPO (WPO and WPO) going negative a lot of the cold will be centered in the plains and Rockies.

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2109 Postby ronyan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:22 pm

I did receive over 5 inches of rain here in one day on December 3rd (6.5" over two days). That took me by surprise, it was one of the highest daily totals ever for December I believe.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2110 Postby ronyan » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:23 pm

Ntxw wrote:With the NPO (WPO and WPO) going negative a lot of the cold will be centered in the plains and Rockies.

http://i65.tinypic.com/ja81za.gif


Is it just me or does it seem like those outlooks rarely have higher probs for cold down here?
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2111 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:29 pm

Ntxw wrote:I don't think we'll be seeing much heavy rain the next couple of months for a few reasons. First winter is the dry season and second it is a La Nina atmosphere. Tropical convection is strongest over Indonesia and the far WPAC which is not good for us. Partly the reason we can't seem to get a good bout of rain and most rain forecasts have underachieved as the central and eastern Pacific have mostly been devoid of a tropical convection to link.


I've had close to 7" of rain the past two days.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2112 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:31 pm

ronyan wrote:I did receive over 5 inches of rain here in one day on December 3rd (6.5" over two days). That took me by surprise, it was one of the highest daily totals ever for December I believe.


They are probability forecasts, it's easier to forecast colder than normal up north just as it is easier to forecast warmer than normal down south. If it's anomalously cold down south, odds are it's even colder up north to get all that cold down our way. It's not always the case though, every now and then you will see darker colors down south.

aggiecutter wrote:I've had close to 7" of rain the past two days.


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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2113 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:27 pm

Wow! 84 degrees at Bush (IAH) today. The 40-mile bike ride felt good, not cool-ish like yesterday (only 80). I'm not liking what I'm seeing for next week. It may turn out to be seasonably cold (30s to 50s), but it won't beat today by a long shot.

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2114 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:33 pm

wxman57 wrote:Wow! 84 degrees at Bush (IAH) today. The 40-mile bike ride felt good, not cool-ish like yesterday (only 80). I'm not liking what I'm seeing for next week. It may turn out to be seasonably cold (30s to 50s), but it won't beat today by a long shot.

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Thanks wxman57... will do!
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2115 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:27 pm

Thanks for the information wxman57. Tropicaltidbits is pretty much the go to for us here in the winter threads. We used to mostly post model graphics from the NCEP pages but unless you were a weather geek it was hard to understand them for the everyday reader. Tidbit's anomaly graphics from the guidance has been the most useful.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2116 Postby Brent » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:43 pm

0z GFS much warmer next Wed/Thu so far. Cold never gets very far and retreats

now it dumps the cold at 300 hours... :roll:
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2117 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:40 am

Brent wrote:0z GFS much warmer next Wed/Thu so far. Cold never gets very far and retreats

now it dumps the cold at 300 hours... :roll:


That's what I was trying to hint at earlier. To me it started on the 12z. This is now the third run in a row it has trended warmer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2118 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:53 am

Cpv17 wrote:
Brent wrote:0z GFS much warmer next Wed/Thu so far. Cold never gets very far and retreats

now it dumps the cold at 300 hours... :roll:


That's what I was trying to hint at earlier. To me it started on the 12z. This is now the third run in a row it has trended warmer.


Stop paying attention to the surface temps on the runs and look at the 500 mb and trend..: cold is still coming
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2119 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 12:57 am

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
Brent wrote:0z GFS much warmer next Wed/Thu so far. Cold never gets very far and retreats

now it dumps the cold at 300 hours... :roll:


That's what I was trying to hint at earlier. To me it started on the 12z. This is now the third run in a row it has trended warmer.


Stop paying attention to the surface temps on the runs and look at the 500 mb and trend..: cold is still coming


I'm trusting your word man lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#2120 Postby Brent » Tue Dec 27, 2016 1:33 am

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
Brent wrote:0z GFS much warmer next Wed/Thu so far. Cold never gets very far and retreats

now it dumps the cold at 300 hours... :roll:


That's what I was trying to hint at earlier. To me it started on the 12z. This is now the third run in a row it has trended warmer.


Stop paying attention to the surface temps on the runs and look at the 500 mb and trend..: cold is still coming


lol hey I hope you're right but I'm still bitter with how Christmas weather turned out... and I wanna see cold forecast within real range...

0z Euro still dumping cold into DFW on January 4th like last run, but bulk of the cold anomalies remain north of Texas at the end of the run. Still DFW stays below freezing on January 5th. No precip.
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