Texas Winter 2014-2015

Winter Weather Discussion

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
Lagreeneyes03
Category 2
Category 2
Posts: 558
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:53 am
Location: Luxurious Lake Grapevine

#2261 Postby Lagreeneyes03 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:48 pm

So it seems like the thinking of most of us on the boards about the air being way to cold to be "stopped" at the I-35 line so to speak was off. And it seemed like our assumption would have been true based on past extremely cold arctic airmasses, they usually blow right through like a freight train to the RGV and even central Florida. What was so different about this situation that the 20's did not reach most of Texas? How often is a warmer airmass able to hold of an arctic front like that? Definitely different than what we had in November.
0 likes   
I'm a Princess, not a forecaster.

User avatar
hriverajr
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 786
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:16 am

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2262 Postby hriverajr » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:50 pm

It would appear that there was a bit of a pressure gradient lacking as well. If you noticed winds were not as high as you normally see with big arctic fronts. This cold air sort of oozed in.
0 likes   
Anything I post is my personal opinion and should not used for any type of planning or lifesaving reasons. Please refer to National Weather Service forecasts.

Ralph's Weather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3269
Age: 38
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:55 am
Location: Lindale, TX
Contact:

#2263 Postby Ralph's Weather » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:53 pm

Raining fairly heavily and mid 30s. I have not checked the models today so not sure what wweare looking at later.
0 likes   

User avatar
TexasF6
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 816
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:33 pm
Location: Austin, TX

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2264 Postby TexasF6 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:00 pm

I certainly hope the next batch of Arctic air is not WIMPY like this one was. And hopefully the upper air columns behave for a great snowstorm. No ice. :roll:
0 likes   

gpsnowman
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3190
Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:35 am
Location: Grand Prairie Tx

#2265 Postby gpsnowman » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:03 pm

JB posted the latest CVSv2 for January and it looks mighty cold. Taking with a grain of salt.
0 likes   

arizona_sooner
Tropical Depression
Tropical Depression
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:09 am
Location: Peoria, AZ

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2266 Postby arizona_sooner » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:07 pm

Just started raining with 30 degF here in south Tulsa. No ice anywhere though. Maybe the Mesonet is off by a little bit in my neck of the woods.
0 likes   

User avatar
Portastorm
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 9914
Age: 63
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:16 am
Location: Round Rock, TX
Contact:

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2267 Postby Portastorm » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:14 pm

Well, let's be clear about one thing ... while those of us along the I-35 corridor didnt see much, if any, wintry precip ... our friends in San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, and Lubbock are encased in ice right now. So they did see a mess materialize. This event was not a bust IMO. In fact, the GFS did pretty darn good and was fairly consistent while King Euro had a few nutty cycles.

What did we learn from this event? I know we can no longer assume a 1050+ mb high coming into Montana will automatically mean sub freezing temps for a large portion of Texas. Even wxman57 felt like the models were too warm ... and he's a very good pro met whose been watching weather in these parts for many years.

Bottom line to me is that our weather never ceases to amaze us and surprise us. We can all learn from this event. I know I'll be asking some of my met friends offline what happened and why. And here's a shout out to you skeptics ... keep your skepticism! You were right to be skeptical and you may end up keeping some of us excitable types more grounded. :wink:
0 likes   
Any forecasts under my name are to be taken with a grain of salt. Get your best forecasts from the National Weather Service and National Hurricane Center.

User avatar
Texas Snowman
Storm2k Moderator
Storm2k Moderator
Posts: 6179
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:29 am
Location: Denison, Texas

#2268 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:41 pm

@BigJoeBastardi: CFSV2 00z run for Jan now has colder US Jan than last year, though centered more plains, than midwest http://t.co/wgdCdi2abk/s/2RaV
0 likes   
The above post and any post by Texas Snowman is NOT an official forecast and should not be used as such. It is just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. It is NOT endorsed by any professional institution including storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to NWS products.

aggiecutter
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1753
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:22 pm
Location: Texarkana

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2269 Postby aggiecutter » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:08 pm

Portastorm wrote:Well, let's be clear about one thing ... while those of us along the I-35 corridor didnt see much, if any, wintry precip ... our friends in San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, and Lubbock are encased in ice right now. So they did see a mess materialize. This event was not a bust IMO. In fact, the GFS did pretty darn good and was fairly consistent while King Euro had a few nutty cycles.

What did we learn from this event? I know we can no longer assume a 1050+ mb high coming into Montana will automatically mean sub freezing temps for a large portion of Texas. Even wxman57 felt like the models were too warm ... and he's a very good pro met whose been watching weather in these parts for many years.

Bottom line to me is that our weather never ceases to amaze us and surprise us. We can all learn from this event. I know I'll be asking some of my met friends offline what happened and why. And here's a shout out to you skeptics ... keep your skepticism! You were right to be skeptical and you may end up keeping some of us excitable types more grounded. :wink:



1. This was the first major arctic front in the plains since mid-November 2. We just came off a near record warm December for the contiguous 48. 3. Not much snow cover combined with 1 and 2 led to modification of the air mass. 3. The air mass wasn't unusually cold to start with.
0 likes   

ronyan
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 791
Age: 39
Joined: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:46 pm
Location: Lake Jackson, TX

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2270 Postby ronyan » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:09 pm

Given the past history of large HPs entering Montana, I don't think we were in error to assume very cold air would be coming to TX (and in fact it did, just was confined to western areas). I see this as a pretty rare setup that we may not see again for a while, so we should assume the cold is coming until there is good evidence to the contrary. At least in the future it will be easier to recognize a setup like this one.
0 likes   

User avatar
TeamPlayersBlue
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 3445
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:44 am
Location: Denver/Applewood, CO

#2271 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:30 pm

Youre right Porta, this event really shocked me. I think W Tx felt the full brunt still but alot of the cold air also went west. 25 in Yuma Az this morning. Although a large portion of the cold was lee side of the rockies, much of it went west an maybe it lacked the 'umph' or weight to keep its momentum all the way to the coast. Plus, with alot of those big highs, the 500 MB chart coming in from canada was still north to south despite strong westerlies in the plains. This event, the winds at that level were much more from west to east. Next time though!

Happy new year and be safe guys!
0 likes   
Personal Forecast Disclaimer:
The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.

lukem
Tropical Storm
Tropical Storm
Posts: 123
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:53 pm

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2272 Postby lukem » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:38 pm

[quote="Portastorm"]Well, let's be clear about one thing ... while those of us along the I-35 corridor didnt see much, if any, wintry precip ... our friends in San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, and Lubbock are encased in ice right now. So they did see a mess materialize. This event was not a bust IMO. In fact, the GFS did pretty darn good and was fairly consistent while King Euro had a few nutty cycles.

I'm in Midland and have been stuck in my house since Tuesday. I don't think we got out of the teens here yesterday. It's a little warmer today but the streets are still solid ice.
0 likes   

aggiecutter
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 1753
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:22 pm
Location: Texarkana

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2273 Postby aggiecutter » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:44 pm

You can see from the current temp below this air mass modified very quickly to due to the reasons I mentioned above. There is a small sliver of single digits in the intern-mountain region. The central and northern plains are in the 20' and 30's, which is at or above normal for January.

http://wx.hamweather.com/maps/currents/ ... re/us.html
0 likes   

User avatar
srainhoutx
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 6919
Age: 67
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:34 am
Location: Haywood County, NC
Contact:

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2274 Postby srainhoutx » Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:17 pm

One of the things we have working in favor of those that like cold weather is the amount of snow cover this and the next storm on its way from the West Coast will bring across the Great Basin, Inter Mountain West into the Plains. In fact snow fell down into the Baja and at very low levels in the San Diego Southern Inland Empire to the Valley floors. The ensembles are not showing a mega torch anytime soon and though we may see some moderation, the upper flow pattern looks favorable for several additional bouts of very cold air heading S. We just took our first step down after a rather mild 45 day period... :wink:

Image
0 likes   
Carla/Alicia/Jerry(In The Eye)/Michelle/Charley/Ivan/Dennis/Katrina/Rita/Wilma/Ike/Harvey

Member: National Weather Association
Wx Infinity Forums
http://wxinfinity.com/index.php

Facebook.com/WeatherInfinity
Twitter @WeatherInfinity

Ralph's Weather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3269
Age: 38
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:55 am
Location: Lindale, TX
Contact:

#2275 Postby Ralph's Weather » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:03 pm

Looks like a few inches of snow for the Panhandle and northern West Texas tomorrow with the upper low passing overhead. Showers will continue across much of the rest of the day tomorrow before a line of storms develops tomorrow night across North and Central Texas and heads east exiting the state by midday Saturday. Cool temps will continue into next week, but tomorrow's West Texas snow should be the last of the wintery stuff for a bit. With the fresh snowpack and better upper air pattern next week may see colder temps than this week for eastern Texas even though the high will not be near as strong.
0 likes   
Follow on Facebook at Ralph's Weather.

Ntxwx
Tropical Storm
Tropical Storm
Posts: 153
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:43 am
Location: Bridgeport, Texas

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2276 Postby Ntxwx » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:04 pm

Why is the WPC showing such a high chance of freezing rain for dfw tonight? http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf/wwd_a ... babilities
0 likes   

CYCLONE MIKE
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 2183
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:04 pm
Location: Gonzales, LA

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2277 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:20 pm

Portastorm wrote:Well, let's be clear about one thing ... while those of us along the I-35 corridor didnt see much, if any, wintry precip ... our friends in San Angelo, Midland/Odessa, and Lubbock are encased in ice right now. So they did see a mess materialize. This event was not a bust IMO. In fact, the GFS did pretty darn good and was fairly consistent while King Euro had a few nutty cycles.

What did we learn from this event? I know we can no longer assume a 1050+ mb high coming into Montana will automatically mean sub freezing temps for a large portion of Texas. Even wxman57 felt like the models were too warm ... and he's a very good pro met whose been watching weather in these parts for many years.

Bottom line to me is that our weather never ceases to amaze us and surprise us. We can all learn from this event. I know I'll be asking some of my met friends offline what happened and why. And here's a shout out to you skeptics ... keep your skepticism! You were right to be skeptical and you may end up keeping some of us excitable types more grounded. :wink:


I'm still here, not going anywhere and definitely no changing my opinion on this winter being anything out of the ordinary. What's going on with the models today? None are showing any long range superstorm blizzards for the south :lol:
0 likes   

User avatar
SouthernMet
Category 3
Category 3
Posts: 857
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:23 pm
Location: fort worth, tx

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2278 Postby SouthernMet » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:53 pm

Winter Storm Warning Issued for West Central tx.. Temps are expected to stay below freezing through saturday with up to .25" of additional ice accumulations.
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX
325 PM CST THU JAN 1 2015

...ADDITIONAL ICE ACCUMULATIONS EXPECTED TONIGHT AND FRIDAY...

.ANOTHER UPPER-LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL MOVE ACROSS THE AREA TONIGHT
AND EARLY FRIDAY...RESULTING IN WIDESPREAD LIGHT TO MODERATE RAIN
ACROSS WEST CENTRAL TEXAS. A BAND OF HEAVIER RAIN IS FORECAST TO
DEVELOP OVER THE WESTERN BIG COUNTRY...EXTENDING SOUTH AND WEST
INTO THE PERMIAN BASIN. WITH SURFACE TEMPERATURES REMAINING BELOW
FREEZING...ADDITIONAL ICE ACCUMULATIONS ARE EXPECTED BEGINNING
TONIGHT. MOST AREAS WILL SEE AROUND 1/10 OF AN INCH OF ICE OR
LESS...BUT LOCATIONS FROM HASKELL...TO SWEETWATER...TO STERLING
CITY MAY SEE UP TO 1/4 INCH OF ADDITIONAL ICE. SLEET MAY MIX WITH
THE FREEZING RAIN AS WELL.

FISHER-NOLAN-STERLING-COKE-RUNNELS-IRION-TOM GREEN-CONCHO-
CROCKETT-SCHLEICHER-HASKELL-THROCKMORTON-JONES-SHACKELFORD-TAYLOR-
CALLAHAN-COLEMAN-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ROTAN...ROBY...SWEETWATER...
STERLING CITY...ROBERT LEE...BRONTE...BALLINGER...WINTERS...
MERTZON...SAN ANGELO...EDEN...OZONA...ELDORADO...HASKELL...
THROCKMORTON...WOODSON...STAMFORD...ANSON...HAMLIN...ALBANY...
ABILENE...CLYDE...BAIRD...CROSS PLAINS...COLEMAN
325 PM CST THU JAN 1 2015

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST FRIDAY...
...WINTER STORM WARNING HAS EXPIRED...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SAN ANGELO HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING FOR FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET...WHICH IS IN EFFECT
UNTIL NOON CST FRIDAY.

* IMPACTS: ICE ACCUMULATIONS ON AREA ROADWAYS...BRIDGES AND
OVERPASSES...EXPOSED SURFACES...VEGETATION...AND POWER LINES.
THE ICY CONDITIONS WILL CAUSE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS DRIVING
CONDITIONS.

* TIMING: THROUGH NOON FRIDAY.

* ICE ACCUMULATIONS: MOST AREAS WILL SEE ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS
OF 1/10 OF AN INCH OR LESS. LOCATIONS FROM HASKELL...TO
SWEETWATER...TO STERLING CITY MAY SEE UP TO 1/4 INCH ADDITIONAL
ICE ACCUMULATION.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW...
SLEET...AND ICE ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO
POSSIBLE. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.

0 likes   
Nothing that SouthernMet posts, is an official forecast,nor does it reflect views of STORM2K.. SouthernMet is just adding to the great discussions on STORM2K.. Refer to NWS for official forecasts.

Ralph's Weather
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3269
Age: 38
Joined: Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:55 am
Location: Lindale, TX
Contact:

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2279 Postby Ralph's Weather » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:03 pm

Ntxwx wrote:Why is the WPC showing such a high chance of freezing rain for dfw tonight? http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf/wwd_a ... babilities

The first map accounts for what fell this morning.
0 likes   

Ntxwx
Tropical Storm
Tropical Storm
Posts: 153
Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:43 am
Location: Bridgeport, Texas

Re: Texas Winter 2014-2015

#2280 Postby Ntxwx » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:10 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Ntxwx wrote:Why is the WPC showing such a high chance of freezing rain for dfw tonight? http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf/wwd_a ... babilities

The first map accounts for what fell this morning.


Are you sure? latest brand new update WPC says 00z january 2nd (now) - 00z january 3rd (tomorrow night)
It has 0% chance for Dallas, 70% for Fort Worth & 90% for Denton... http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/pwpf/wwd_a ... babilities
0 likes   


Return to “Winter Weather”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests