orangeblood wrote:txtwister78 wrote:I wouldn't trust the Euro Weeklies anymore than I trust a 7 day forecast. Lol. I can't tell you how many times those have been wrong and typically love to blowtorch extended "outlooks". I would basically toss those in the "yeah whatever" category for now. Bottom line is after a cold shot like this you can expect a pull back as it relates to a moderation of temps across the US in most regions.
The GFS Ensemble Extended however continues to show the EPO going negative again after the 5th of Jan. Something to watch over the next 10 days, but I definitely wouldn't write anything off in terms of winter being over based on the JMA or the Weeklies. JMA has flip flopped over its last two runs (not unusual btw).
Just pointing it out because one hit wonder winters have happened several times in the past, no guarantees this type pattern will return.
Sure, they've happened before but I'm sure you would agree that in and of itself isn't a guarantee either. In looking at the weeklies tonight, I actually see more cause for optimism than uncertainty if you want more winter. The control run actually has this going into the second week of Jan. The mean is obviously warmer but doesn't look terrible.

In addition, both the mean & control show the EPO trending negative along with keeping the AO mostly negative around that second week. So as mentioned earlier while I agree these can flip either way and aren't always reliable tools for outlooks in the longer range, as we sit here today at least, I can still see more cause for optimism than the alternative. But hey that's the fun part (I think at least) of looking at all this going forward to see how it eventually plays out.