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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2761 Postby orangeblood » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:10 pm

And right on cue, look what just showed up on the NAM....the beginning stages of the potential for a pretty significant winter system crossing the southern plains in less than 3 days

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2762 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:16 pm

orangeblood wrote:And right on cue, look what just showed up on the NAM....the beginning stages of the potential for a pretty significant winter system crossing the southern plains in less than 3 days

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Just saw that! Haha. I’ll pretend to be shocked. System looks like it’s trying to close off :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2763 Postby Brent » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:20 pm

orangeblood wrote:And right on cue, look what just showed up on the NAM....the beginning stages of the potential for a pretty significant winter system crossing the southern plains in less than 3 days

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Well that would be something. I was joking at work today it'd be funny if Fridays winter storm came back :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2764 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:34 pm

The NAM is moving towards what I expected. Storms so far this winter have liked to dig SW and then stay intact across the state. This storm may cross the state south of I20, if so the northern tier of the state will have snow on the ground for Christmas morning.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2765 Postby Texas Snow » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:41 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:The NAM is moving towards what I expected. Storms so far this winter have liked to dig SW and then stay intact across the state. This storm may cross the state south of I20, if so the northern tier of the state will have snow on the ground for Christmas morning.


Well despite reading this thread multiple times a day, I gave up on models the last 4-5 days. But now that we are getting a little closer and the NAM is coming on board and pointing to something interesting, it looks like I'm back to model F5 mode. I'm sure the Snow Miser would tell me to wait 2 more days, but I don't think I can.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2766 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:43 pm

orangeblood wrote:And right on cue, look what just showed up on the NAM....the beginning stages of the potential for a pretty significant winter system crossing the southern plains in less than 3 days

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I'm not sure what Tropical Tidbits is doing but you have to go all the way up into Oklahoma to find any soundings that support snow. The surface is above freezing, so that isn't freezing rain, and I'm not sure the soundings even support sleet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2767 Postby Texas Snow » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:49 pm

Yea if you look at the precip types just prior to that run it never shows anything frozen in Texas, although it gets to the mid 30's with rain in the area.

0Z GFS Shows Rain and 51 in Dallas at same time period.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2768 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:53 pm

0z Canadian might show snow in north TX this run. Continues to show a deeper trough.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2769 Postby orangeblood » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:05 pm

Canadian is on board as well....The cold air at the surface and aloft do appear to be in question but interesting trend none the less!!

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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2770 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:05 pm

0Z Canadian is so much different than the GFS. It shows a surface low riding just north of the Gulf on Christmas Eve. That could be a winter weather scenario for North Texas. Definitely a more suppressed solution that gives a little hope...
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2771 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:10 pm

The obvious difference is the handling of the 500mb feature/upper level energy. Two Canadian runs in a row have shown a slower, more southerly and closed depiction of the upper low ejecting out of the Southwest. If the Euro comes on board tonight, it’s time to get a little more excited. The recent NAM run is faster with the upper low, but is closed very similar to the CMC.

I have a hunch we are seeing the beginnings of a mid-range trend...
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2772 Postby Brent » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:11 pm

CMC goes well into Saturday with the moisture

Far more likely for a winter storm to verify, the longer the moisture stays the better
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2773 Postby Quixotic » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:14 pm

Suppression.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2774 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:15 pm

MississippiWx wrote:The obvious difference is the handling of the 500mb feature/upper level energy. Two Canadian runs in a row have shown a slower, more southerly and closed depiction of the upper low ejecting out of the Southwest. If the Euro comes on board tonight, it’s time to get a little more excited. The recent NAM run is faster with the upper low, but is closed very similar to the CMC.

I have a hunch we are seeing the beginnings of a mid-range trend...


Yeah I agree. Really interested to see what the Euro shows tonight. Canadian seems to be showing what has happened to the past few storm systems here. Deeper and slower trend.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2775 Postby Brent » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:16 pm

I see the GFS is still on the warmup after Christmas

CMC Is too at first but the cold air starts flooding in for the Post-Christmas storm
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2776 Postby orangeblood » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:18 pm

Brent wrote:I see the GFS is still on the warmup after Christmas


Check out what is lurking north of the Border :cold: :cold: :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2777 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:19 pm

0z Canadian also continues to show the winter storm threat during the last few days of December.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2778 Postby Brent » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:23 pm

CMC big ice storm December 28th-29th
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2779 Postby Ntxw » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:27 pm

GFS still irks me about what happened today. This model has a progressive issue it's not even funny. Friday's earlier day runs had 0.00 whopping inches of rain. Daily record of nearly 3" today.

I'm not even giving it much weight and looking at it last in the model suites.
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Re: Texas Winter 2017-2018

#2780 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:36 pm

0z GFS also continues to indicate a winter storm threat across TX the last few days of December. Decent model agreement for long range.
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