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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2781 Postby vbhoutex » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:06 pm

Portastorm wrote:I posted this over on KHOU's community weather forum and thought I would share here as well ... folks, we have been well below normal temperature-wise since mid November. Yes, there has only been one real winter weather event in that time frame, DFW area's Icemageddon. But in terms of temperature averages, it's been quite cold!

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I believe both Houston and Austin have had more freezes already this year than we had during out entire "Winter that wasn't" last year.
Sun has come out here in Houston and we are baking at 60f.
OMG, don't get me thinking about Jan. 12, 1973(Houston's day)!!! :froze:
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#2782 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:02 pm

Havent seen decent sunshine here in so long. Its ridiculous
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2783 Postby txprog » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:26 pm

Portastorm wrote:I posted this over on KHOU's community weather forum and thought I would share here as well ... folks, we have been well below normal temperature-wise since mid November. Yes, there has only been one real winter weather event in that time frame, DFW area's Icemageddon. But in terms of temperature averages, it's been quite cold!

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Yes, at DFW December is currently about -4 degrees below average, and with the next front on the way it is likely to finish at about that. That is quite cold. Below average monthlies in this area during the DJF months are VERY rare lately, at less than 20% over the last decade or so. Even Feb 2011 with its cold and ice and snow early finished at just above average as a lasting warm up followed.

Us winter weather lovers in the DFW area should be happy so far, but who really knows what's to come.

Thanks to all the experts for their continued input to this thread.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2784 Postby boca » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:11 pm

What happened in Houston on Jan 12,1973?
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#2785 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Dec 28, 2013 6:19 pm

Is the front passing through DFW early? It seems to be getting colder.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2786 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:09 pm

boca wrote:What happened in Houston on Jan 12,1973?


It began as the first in what was 3 events from Jan to Feb that had snowfall in the Houston area. 1 event a decade alone is extremely rare, heck they go decades without true measurable snowfall, but 3 in a span of about 4-6 weeks is spectacular.

If the forecast is true with a -AO tank and -EPO tank, there's not much more you can ask. If that doesn't deliver winter then there is no meaning to the word. It will be interesting how that couplet works out, we don't see that combo match up very often except in epic El Nino years.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2787 Postby Texas Snowman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:41 pm

Interesting story in the Outdoors section of the Houston Chronicle about the effects of the Dec. 1983 freeze:

http://www.chron.com/sports/outdoors/article/Effects-lessons-of-1983-freeze-evident-on-Texas-5092926.php

Effects, lessons of 1983 freeze evident on Texas ecosystem

By Shannon Tompkins | December 25, 2013

Ed Hegen still shivers at the memory of the frigid morning 30 years ago this week when the Rockport-based coastal fisheries biologist boarded commercial fisherman Bucky Vannoy's skiff at Flour Bluff and they beat their way across miles of a leaden Upper Laguna Madre to Baffin Bay.

"I've never been so cold in my life," said Hegen, lower coast regional director for Texas Parks and Wildlife Department's coastal fisheries division, recalling his experiences that frozen day during the final week of 1983. "It was July before I thawed out."

Effects of the Christmas 1983 Freeze on Texas' coastal fisheries and fisheries management lasted much longer; some are still felt on this 30th anniversary of what stands as the longest, most severe stretch of sub-freezing cold to grip the Texas coast during the 20th century and the largest, scientifically documented, single-event fish kill that resulted.

"The '83 freeze played a big role in how we focused efforts on (coastal fisheries) monitoring, regulations and enhancement going forward. It changed the way we looked at things and how we planned," Gene McCarty, retired Texas Parks and Wildlife Department deputy director and former director of the agency's coastal fisheries division, said of the record-setting weather that saw air temperature along the coast fall into the teens and remain below freezing for five days to obliterate about 20 million coastal finfish and other marine life and leave fisheries managers and anglers facing daunting challenges.

It began when a pool of Arctic air pushed over the Texas coast the afternoon of Dec. 21, plunging air temperature from the 50s to the 30s in little more than an hour. In Houston, the temperature dropped below freezing the next afternoon and remained there for five days, setting a record for longest period of below-freezing temperatures in the city. Houston's temperature fell below freezing for 10 consecutive nights, bottoming out at 13 degrees on Christmas morning.

It was equally frigid on the coast - 15 degrees in Palacios, 14 degrees in Galveston and Corpus Christi, 19 degrees in McAllen. Air temperature remained below freezing for 77 hours in Port Arthur. Saltwater froze; on Trinity Bay, a sheet of ice 4 inches thick extended almost 500 yards from shore, and a similarly thick layer created a 100-yard band around the edges of the Upper Laguna Madre.

"You couldn't get a boat out in the bay for the first few days because the ice was so thick," recalled Lynn Benefield, who, in 1983, headed coastal fisheries' Galveston Bay field station. "When we finally did get out, the thing that sticks in my mind is seeing the back half of East (Galveston) Bay covered in slush ice from shore to shore. I'll never forget that."

The bitter, lingering cold was unlike anything Hegen, McCarty, Benefield or anyone else had experienced on the Texas coast, where freezes, while not uncommon, are typically short-lived. The most severe cold weather before the '83 freeze had been in January 1951, and it had been almost a century - February 1899 - since Texas had seen such deep, abiding cold along the coast.

Drifts of dead fish

But the below-freezing air temperature wasn't the only thing that chilled Hegen on his recognizance on the Upper Laguna Madre. What he witnessed as he and Vannoy explored the shallow bay system with the earned reputation as home of the best-quality speckled trout fisheries in the state sent shudders down his spine.

"It looked like snow drifts along the shorelines - big piles of white, 15-20 yards wide," Hegen said.

But it wasn't snow; it was ice … and dead fish. Thousands of dead fish.

"There were long windrows of dead fish - every kind of fish - stacked like cordwood," Hegen said. "The number and the size of the sow speckled trout we saw made your jaw just drop. There were thousands of them, dead on the shoreline. Huge trout, some I guessed were bigger than the state record."

And that was just the tip of the iceberg.

"The water was so clear - I've never seen it so clear - that you could see the bottom of the bay and all these shadows. It was trout carcasses; the bay bottom was covered with them," Hegen recalled.

It was the same on all Texas bays - dead fish by the millions.

Inshore fish and other marine organisms living in Texas bays evolved to live in the region's temperate, almost tropical environment. When water temperature drops below about 45 degrees and remains there for a day or so, fish such as speckled trout, redfish, black drum, sheepshead and all manner or smaller forage fish begin seeing their cold-blooded metabolisms slow to levels too low to keep them alive. They freeze to death.

Unprecedented issues

During the '83 freeze, water temperature in Texas bays dropped to as low as 28 degrees and remained below 40 degrees for seven consecutive days.

The freeze presented unprecedented challenges and opportunities for a Texas coastal fisheries division that had only recently began transforming from a reactive, caretaker approach toward marine fisheries management to a proactive philosophy that used science and technology to monitor fisheries and develop long-term management decisions.

Part of that change had begun in the mid-1970s with development of standardized collection of data on fish populations and angler harvest in all Texas bays, giving fisheries managers ways to track trends in those fisheries. And when the '83 freeze hit, Texas coastal fisheries staff mobilized to swarm the bays, systematically collecting as much information as they could on the effects.

"A lot of us worked seven days a week, 15 hours a day for two weeks or more," Hegen said.

"I spent two weeks counting dead stuff," said Paul Hammerschmidt, regulations coordinator for TPWD's coastal fisheries division who, in 1983, was a young fisheries biologist stationed on mid-coast. "There was a lot to count. The magnitude and diversity of the kill is what really stuck with me."

The final estimate was at least 20 million marine creatures perished, including at least 14 million finfish.

Fisheries monitoring programs also provided insight into how many fish survived. It wasn't many.

In the spring of 1983, TPWD coastal fisheries crews conducting standardized, 10-week gill net sampling in the Lower Laguna Madre caught an average of 0.7 speckled trout per hour. In spring of 1984, the catch rate was 0.1 trout per hour. Fish sampling efforts in all Texas bays saw similar absences of trout and other inshore species.

Fast-tracking recovery

The agency's then-new creel surveys of recreational anglers substantiated what anglers already knew: Fishing success in 1984 was horrible. Hegen remembers it was so difficult to catch speckled trout in 1984 that the coastal fisheries division had to abandon a research project that placed tracking tags in speckled trout caught by rod-and-reel angling.

Facing the gaping hole the freeze left in Texas bays, state fisheries managers looked for ways to give fisheries the best opportunity to rebuild.

"One of the interesting outcomes of the freeze was how it transformed our hatchery program," McCarty said.

The first-of-its-kind John Wilson Marine Fish Hatchery had focused on research and modest production of redfish that were stocked only in mid-coast bays. The freeze kicked the hatchery program into hyperdrive, with redfish production greatly increased and fingerlings stocked into every Texas bay. Speckled trout were integrated into the hatchery program.

To protect remaining fish, the agency imposed much more conservative fishing regulations on commercial and recreational anglers. The speckled trout limit was halved from 20 fish per day to 10, and the minimum length increased from 12 inches to 14 inches. The redfish bag limit was cut from five per day to three.

It took two years before the fishery began showing significant signs of recovery. But it did recover … just in time to be slammed by a pair of killer freezes in 1989 that, combined, killed an estimated 17 million fish.

Recovery from the '89 freeze-caused fish kills came much quicker than in the wake of the '83 freeze, and fisheries managers credit lessons learned and refined after the '83 freeze for accelerating that recovery.

"The 1983 freeze was a real awakening for all of us on the coast," Hegen said. "It was a pivotal event for fisheries managers and fishermen."
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2788 Postby Jarodm12 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:47 pm

the 18z nam and current rap are wetter across north Texas for sunday. Just to the north S OK has freezing rain and drizzle in the forecast. very interest in what the 00z guidance says and the newer rap models. It would be cool if we could squeez a dust or inch of snow not saying we are
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2789 Postby Portastorm » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:50 pm

I'm surprised no one has posted anything about the 12z Euro. :wink:

Been busy all day with outdoor projects and figured someone would have opined. Will be interesting to see if the next few Euro deterministic runs hold on to it (the Arctic outbreak into Texas) and build on it. Curious also to see if GFS will come on board.
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#2790 Postby Jarodm12 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:09 pm

00z nam shows tiny amount of freezing precip over north texas at 26 hours interesting

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#2791 Postby Texas Snowman » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:16 pm

Doing a little research this evening on Texas freezes. Came across this story by Shannon Tompkins in the Chronicle. It's from Feb. 2011. Some pretty interesting stuff.

Anybody know that Galveston Bay is reported to have frozen over a couple of times (see below)? Imagine Wxman57 trying to ride his bike in those mini-ice ages! :D :froze: :cold: :jacket:


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http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Tompkins-Documenting-Texas-coast-s-big-chills-1687256.php

Tompkins: Documenting Texas coast's big chills

By SHANNON TOMPKINS| February 10, 2011

Fish-killing freezes aren’t particularly unusual events along the Texas coast; dozens of cold-related kills have been documented over the state’s history.

But, as appears the case with this past week’s cold spell, most of the freeze-related fish kills have been relatively minor — glancing blows instead of knockout punches.

A handful of freezes, though, have resulted in catastrophic loss of marine life, killing millions of inshore fish and other marine organisms and leaving behind a devastated fishery that takes years to recover.

A review of historical records over the past 150 or so years indicates a ruinous freeze — one resulting in mass kills of marine life — occurs, on average, about every 15 years.

In that regard, Texas has been riding a lucky streak; the most recent major, coast wide, freeze-triggered fish kill occurred a little more than 21 years ago.

Here’s a brief history of some of the historically important and major freeze-related fish kills on the Texas coast:

• 1528 — The first European to note freeze-related coastal fish kills was the first European to produce a written record from what is now Texas.

Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca was shipwrecked in November, 1528 on what is today known as Galveston Island, and spent the following eight years living with native people along the Texas coast and attempting to reach Spanish settlements in Mexico.

In La Relacion — The Account of Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca, the book de Vaca wrote of his experiences, he noted the native people on the coast took advantage of “the season when the fish come to die.”

Most translators and interpreters of the work believe the statement refers to the fish-stunning effects of freezes on the coast, which allowed native peoples to easily collect fish for food.

• 1820 — Jane Long, often called “The Mother of Texas” as her daughter Mary was (wrongly, it turns out) claimed to be the first child of European heritage born in what is now Texas, reported the winter of 1820-21 was brutally cold. Long, living at the time on Bolivar Peninsula, reported temperatures dropped so low at one point that Galveston Bay froze over.

Long also noted that her small group survived the winter by breaking ice and collecting the freeze-killed fish beneath it.

•1845-46 — During the Mexican War, 5,000 U.S. Army troops under command of Gen. Zachary Taylor spent the winter of 1845-46 bivouacked on the shore of Corpus Christi Bay in advance of their invasion of Mexico. A major freeze hit the coast that winter, and the troops reportedly feed on freeze-killed fish.

• 1886 — At dusk Jan. 9, air temperature in Corpus Christi was 75 degrees. By dawn, Jan. 10, it had fallen to 16 degrees. The snow storm accompanying the freeze was described in the Galveston Daily News as “the greatest the city, state or even the lower South has ever witnessed.”

According to a history of freeze-caused fish kills written in 1996 by the late Larry McEachron, long-time science director of coastal fisheries for Texas Parks and Wildlife Department: “Based on reliable weather information, this could have been the worst fish kill in the past 150 years.”

• 1899 — The five-day freeze that struck the coast beginning Feb. 12 drove temperatures to their lowest recorded levels along the Texas coast — 9 degrees in Galveston, 10 in Brownsville and Corpus Christi. People rode horses across Nueces Bay. Others ice skated on Galveston Bay. Ships were frozen in ice in the harbors of Galveston and Corpus Christi.

Fish froze by the millions.

• 1917 — A freeze that hit the Texas coast on Feb. 3 was described by McEachron as “believed to be one of the most destructive of the Twentieth Century to marine life in Texas.”

• 1924 — Temperatures along the length of the coast dropped below freezing on Dec. 19 and remained there for more than two days on the upper coast and 74 hours in Corpus Christi — the longest continuous sub-freezing air temperature recorded on the coast up to that time.

The fish kill, while not quantified, was catastrophic.

•1940 — On Jan. 18, temperature in Rockport dropped from 64 into the 20s in four hours, and gale-force wind blew for four days. Temperatures dropped below freezing each day for 10 consecutive days, and more bays froze several hundred yards from shore.

This was the first freeze-caused fish kill fairly well documented by biologists. Biologists estimated more than one-million pounds of fish were collected in the Rockport/Corpus Christi area.

Coast-wide commercial finfish harvest dropped by half for the following two years.

• 1951 — The third freeze of winter 1950-51 began Jan. 28 and was the worst. It was the most prolonged freeze on record for the Texas coast. All bays saw major fish kills, with one state fisheries biologist estimated as much as 90 million pounds of fish died.

The Laguna Madre was hardest hit, losing an estimated 46 million fish. State fisheries staff set a series of gill nets in the upper Laguna Madre that October and November. Those nets yielded a total of four fish.

The 1951 fish kill crippled recreational and commercial fishing until the middle of the decade.

• 1983 — The Christmas Freeze, which set air temperature records across Texas, plunged coastal surface water temperatures from 60-64 degrees ahead of the front to 35 degrees in less than 8 hours.

Temperature remained below freezing in Port Arthur for 77 consecutive hours.

Ice rimmed every Texas bay. On Trinity Bay, a 4-inch-thick sheet of ice extended almost 500 yards from shore.

Texas Parks and Wildlife Department conducted intense, systematic and detailed monitoring of the freeze’s impacts. The estimated death toll: 14 million fish.

• 1989 — Two freezes — Feb. 3-6 and Dec. 22-24 — killed an estimated 17 million finfish.

The February freeze hit the upper and lower Laguna Madre hardest, but caused localized fish kills along the length of the Texas coast. TPWD estimated 11.3 million finfish killed.

The December freeze set air temperature records across the states. Brownsville saw 16 degrees, and temperatures fell to single digits along the upper coast. Houston set a record with 7 degrees.

Texas bays lost an estimated 6 million fish to the December 1989 freeze. The toll would have been much higher, but the February freeze had already stripped the bays of a large portion of their fish populations.
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#2792 Postby richtrav » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:28 pm

I'm not familiar with a freeze in 1820-1 but there is ample documentation of a severe winter in Louisiana in 1823, I wonder if she wrote about this years later and got the dates mixed up. The massive Arctic outbreak in Feb 1835 that hit Florida was apparently confined to the southeastern states, probably like a stronger version of Jan 1985. Berlandier wrote about winters during his time in NE Mexico and S Texas during the 1820s and 30s and I don't recall him mentioning a particularly severe outbreak, but I don't recall his writing about the winter in 1823. There is also plenty of documentation of a very hard winter in LA in 1800 and TX could well have been subjected to it too, I don't know.

The only weather records I have access to are from Ft Brown (Brownsville) and go back to 1847. There was a fairly sharp overnight freeze in early Dec 1850 (min 22) followed by a more 1983-type outbreak in Jan 1852 (again, min 22 but lots of hours in the mid-20s in the daytime). About a week later another front dropped the temp to the upper 20s at Ft Brown but into the single digits in New Orleans.

There were no severe cold outbreaks until they closed the fort during the Civil War. In 1867 the fort was still closed but a snowfall hit the town in early Jan 1867 and the temperature dropped to 24 according to the local paper. Fish kill in the local lakes was reported and people who lived there had never seen the likes of anything, suggesting previous winters weren't as hard.

Starting around 1870 the climate saw more numerous and frequent freezes, an overnight freeze in 1870 to about 23 followed by another freeze very similar to the 1852 event in 1873 (22 again I think with many hours in the mid-20s), followed by another prolonged freeze in 1875 though the temperature didn't drop below the mid-20s.

The 1880s and 90s were worse, there was a terrible, 3 day long freeze in late Dec/early Jan 1880-81, when the fort recorded 21,23 and 19 for lows and the weather bureau somehow got lows of 18 in both Dec and Jan (not sure how that happened, I thought they were using the fort's records). The maximum MAYBE made it to 32 during the 3-day event, it is easily the longest severe freeze on record in S TX and was probably two freezes followed in quick succession as the middle day was the "mildest". This is a very overlooked freeze and also shows up in El Paso's records so it probably had a western bias much like Jan 1962.

In Jan 1886 an overnight freeze to 22 occurred but had kind of lost a little punch by the time it hit the bottom of the state, but it was very cold up north (6 in San Antonio) and was a long lingering freeze, even in Florida. A harder freeze hit in Jan 1888, when an entire day was spent in the mid 20s with sleet and ice. The minimum was 21.4. In Feb 1895 two freezes occurred, the first was an overnight freeze that dropped to 22 in Brownsville before warming up - the rest of the state and Florida got nailed much harder. Then about a week later the Big Snow occurred and all we know is that it snowed 6" and a minimum of 22 was recorded. Parts of the records are missing including high temperatures so the severity of that freeze can only be guessed.

The Big One, of course, was 1899, when we know Corpus dropped to 11 the first morning of the great freeze, Galveston recorded 7.5 between 10:30 and 11am (!!! and it was cloudy too!), Brownsville had 16, Edinburg 18, and the lowest for Pt Isabel mentioned was 20 at 7am I believe. Dallas of course had their infamous -10. The second night is supposedly when Brownsville recorded 12. On that night Pt Isabel had 22 at 10pm then 30 at 7am the next morning, a little odd, wish I could see the entries for B'ville. The ranchlands around Alice, Laredo and Rio Grande City dropped into the single digits that night, the only case I know of this happening.

After that the 20th century is pretty well documented with weather records and news paper accounts to corroborate events. There were quick overnight freezes in 1905 and 1911 that apparently weren't very destructive. The freeze you mention in 1917 probably occurred in 1918 as the winter of 1917-18 was pretty severe and included a freeze in Dec 1917 as well as another one in 1918.

I can't believe 1930 was left off the list, it dropped Houston to 5 and Galveston to the low teens, and is still I believe the coldest month ever recorded in the state's history.
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#2793 Postby MGC » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:56 pm

Hopefully none of the above will occur any time soon. Feb 1973 New Orleans had 2 snows. The first a trace fell, the second near an inch.....MGC
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2794 Postby ravyrn » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:14 pm

I need all you savvy weather folks to work us up some winter weather voodoo for us Texans and friends over in Baton Rouge. Porta, Ntxw, Texas Snowman, vbhoutex, gpsnowman, srainhoutx, aggiecutter, and orangeblood: combine forces and deliver the white stuff multiple times in the next month! Work your weather voodoo and make it happen and be sure to send leftovers to our friend BigBO882 to our east! MGC seems uninterested though so make sure not to send it too far east! Maybe a hop over MS and some more white stuff for northjaxpro! I want white stuff from hriverajr to aggiecutter! Any savvy weather peeps that I failed to mention, feel free to aid in the effort! I want this January to be referred to as Snowvember in the decades that follow. Wxman57, give us a pass, and you can have all of February and 3 weeks in March! And dhweather, work your voodoo at those fictional 384hr forecasts and make them a reality! Let's get going team!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2795 Postby ravyrn » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:16 pm

MGC wrote:Hopefully none of the above will occur any time soon. Feb 1973 New Orleans had 2 snows. The first a trace fell, the second near an inch.....MGC


Perhaps we can work a deal out with Wxman57 as mentioned in the post above, and he can lend you his heat shield. I'm willing to give up all of February and 3 weeks in March to make Snowvember happen.
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#2796 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:36 pm

Going out on a limb here, but on Christmas I wrote in a post that beastly storms we tend to see far out in advance and continue in some form or fashion. There is one lurking in the modelling world coming next week to the CONUS . SOI crash is signaling it as well as the tropical connection mentioned. Keep watching the evolution of this potential wide impacting storm, Pac NW first, mountain west then plains..

No need to make deals with evil ravyrn, we've been chipping away at it, it will come.

Meanwhile 0z gFS is nuts long range 1068+ in Montana fantasy for sure!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2797 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:53 pm

Even if it isn't real I think I'm going to post this. Just so we can look back and see that it can be shown on a model. Don't think I've ever seen anything like this before on any model since posting on this board so worth archiving for future reference, for studying of course.

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And to Portastorm's post, here was the Euro but doesn't go out as far yet

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#2798 Postby TheProfessor » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:45 am

Ntxw wrote:Even if it isn't real I think I'm going to post this. Just so we can look back and see that it can be shown on a model. Don't think I've ever seen anything like this before on any model since posting on this board so worth archiving for future reference, for studying of course.

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And to Portastorm's post, here was the Euro but doesn't go out as far yet

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At first on the top map I thought you were talking about the precipitation and I was like "That doesn't look that special." but then i saw the 1068mb high pressure and thought "Oh thats what he is excited about." :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2799 Postby Ntxw » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:57 am

TheProfessor wrote:At first on the top map I thought you were talking about the precipitation and I was like "That doesn't look that special." but then i saw the 1068mb high pressure and thought "Oh thats what he is excited about." :D


It literally went bonkers the GFS.

Correction: I was looking at the wrong thing single digits.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#2800 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:03 am

ravyrn wrote:I need all you savvy weather folks to work us up some winter weather voodoo for us Texans and friends over in Baton Rouge. Porta, Ntxw, Texas Snowman, vbhoutex, gpsnowman, srainhoutx, aggiecutter, and orangeblood: combine forces and deliver the white stuff multiple times in the next month! Work your weather voodoo and make it happen and be sure to send leftovers to our friend BigBO882 to our east! MGC seems uninterested though so make sure not to send it too far east! Maybe a hop over MS and some more white stuff for northjaxpro! I want white stuff from hriverajr to aggiecutter! Any savvy weather peeps that I failed to mention, feel free to aid in the effort! I want this January to be referred to as Snowvember in the decades that follow. Wxman57, give us a pass, and you can have all of February and 3 weeks in March! And dhweather, work your voodoo at those fictional 384hr forecasts and make them a reality! Let's get going team!


Well ravyn, it hasn't snowed here of any significance since December 22, 1989. Received about inch on top of about 1/4 ice which shut this city down for a couple days. People may chuckle about this, but an inch of snow in these parts is like the world coming to an end lol... There were flurries here on the back side of the March '93 Superstorm, and again flurries in 2010. It has been a long time since we have seen accumulating snow in these parts. I have to admit though that I would like to see the white stuff again in theses parts so I will do my part ravyn to cook up some voodoo on my end to help the cause lol...

The way the pattern has been since Thanksgiving, we can't get any sniff of polar air into North Florida thanks to a pesky SE ridge which has controlled our weather. So, you all out there in TX seem to be maybe primed to get all the winter fun this season. Heree at my locale, only 1 freeze recorded here so far this season, and that was on Thanksgiving morning. Winter may come very late here again, like it did lat season. We will see. This has definitely been here one of the warmest Decembers on record that's for sure.
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