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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3321 Postby wxman22 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:24 pm

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wxman57 wrote:Canadian has joined the GFS in saying "what front?" Canadian ensembles are calling the operational Canadian run an idiot. I now have full control of the operational Canadian. Working on the other models now. GFS operational said "no way, here it comes!". GFS ensembles say "what front?" GFS ensembles are 15-20F warmer than operational. Less ice on Canadian, but GFS freezing rain shifted to the coast.

I added the Canadian ensembles (blue dashed line):
http://wxman57.com/images/Models12ZFeb7.JPG

Considerably less freezing rain with the Canadian:
http://wxman57.com/images/CanadianZR12ZFeb7.JPG

Freezing rain shifted south to the coast with the 12Z GFS:
http://wxman57.com/images/GFSZR12ZFeb7.JPG

Keep in mind that the Euro trended colder across the Southern Plains, but not in Houston. The SE Ridge is Key for any chances for winter weather across the Southern Plains.


Not that it matters this far out but the Euro did trend colder for Houston its actually 10+ degrees colder across the board.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3322 Postby Portastorm » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:29 pm

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I feel kinda dumb for asking but what’s the control run? That’s not the operational?


The ECMWF Control run is basically the ECMWF (Euro) model.


That’s not accurate. The control run is a lower resolution version of operational run. The difference in grid points between the two can mean a substantial difference between the control run and operational run. Wxman57 alludes to this in his response.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3323 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:31 pm

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Iceresistance wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
I feel kinda dumb for asking but what’s the control run? That’s not the operational?


The ECMWF Control run is basically the ECMWF (Euro) model.


That’s not accurate. The control run is a lower resolution version of operational run. The difference in grid points between the two can mean a substantial difference between the control run and operational run. Wxman57 alludes to this in his response.


Oh, I see now. I never knew that Control Model runs existed. :P
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3324 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:36 pm

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SnowintheFalls wrote:So what in particular is it about this setup that is wreaking so much havoc in the models? I know the models have been known to be inconsistent but swings this drastic seem beyond crazy to me.

I think a lot of it is models struggle with highly anomalous patterns.

I agree and this pattern is somewhat anomalous! Also I don't think I have ever seen the models get a good grip, at least in the Southern plains, on severe cold(very dense air)and how it "flows".

Yes models seems to struggle to resolve how Arctic air masses flow down the gentle slope of the Plains when highs are centered over the Central Plains.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3325 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:39 pm

18z ICON still trending COLDER!


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3326 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:40 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Portastorm wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
The ECMWF Control run is basically the ECMWF (Euro) model.


That’s not accurate. The control run is a lower resolution version of operational run. The difference in grid points between the two can mean a substantial difference between the control run and operational run. Wxman57 alludes to this in his response.


Oh, I see now. I never knew that Control Model runs existed. :P


I kinda thought the control run was always the operational but I wasn’t sure.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3327 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:44 pm

Big Temperature bust in Central Oklahoma may cause the front to be even more stronger & more winter weather.

36°F in OKC (Forecasted to be 40°F)
34°F in Shawnee & in town. (Forecasted to be 43°F)
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3328 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:08 pm

18z GFS trending A LOT warmer

PV stalls to the North, but will strengthen.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3329 Postby orangeblood » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:13 pm

And there it is, the inevitable...18Z GFS caving towards Euro, PV regression closing off direct push into Southern Plains. All Hail King Euro!! :notworthy:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3330 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:14 pm

18z GFS folds.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3331 Postby Brent » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:15 pm

bubba hotep wrote:18z GFS folds.


I am just shocked lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3332 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:15 pm

Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3333 Postby PTrackerLA » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:15 pm

Looks like 12z GFS was a fluke. 18z now has the Saturday ice storm breaking out in Oklahoma versus the gulf coast. Temperatures running 25 degrees warmer down to I-10. It was a nice week of teasing in the models but I'm throwing in the towel on any sort of big event down here :spam:.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3334 Postby Brent » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:17 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.


Honestly I never wanted arctic air anyway if it wasnt going to snow lol :spam:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3335 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:18 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.


Not until March/April!

GFS is still wanting a polar blast, but it's delayed.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3336 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:21 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.


Not until March/April!

GFS is still wanting a polar blast, but it's delayed.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gfs_T2m_us_28.png


And it will continue to do so and push it off. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. We've all gone insane as have the models.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3337 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:21 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.


Not until March/April!

GFS is still wanting a polar blast, but it's delayed.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gfs_T2m_us_28.png


And it will continue to do so and push it off. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. We've all gone insane as have the models.

And I doubled posted. Sorry
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3338 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:22 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
HockeyTx82 wrote:Thread over, who wants to start the Spring thread.


Not until March/April!

GFS is still wanting a polar blast, but it's delayed.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gfs_T2m_us_28.png


It’s always delayed lol if it’s not within 3 days don’t even bother with it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3339 Postby Texas Snow » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:22 pm

Another delay lol but Polar comes through DFW with sleet Sunday morning and a massive Monday snowstorm (statewide winter weather)

Let’s do this one
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3340 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:22 pm

I'm not sure what there is left to analyze... Each time it looks like the cold is coming, it doesn't. So just go with the warmer of the model runs.
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