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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3421 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:45 am

Ntxw wrote:
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I wonder what the disconnect is with CFSv2 on wxbell and tidbits. They are not reflecting the same thing?

https://i.imgur.com/kgbUYKH.png


I believe tidbits takes past 12 run average and wxbell is latest single run, in this case today's 06Z


Unless I'm mistaken it's also 6z on tidbits, cfsv2 is an ensemble of runs. The actual NCEP source has below anomalies week 3 and 4 so it may have something to do with discrepancies with climo.

https://i.imgur.com/UNWSYe0.png


The wxbell CFSv2 varies widely from run to run so not sure what exactly it's pulling from....
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3422 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:46 am

Ntxw wrote:
orangeblood wrote:
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I wonder what the disconnect is with CFSv2 on wxbell and tidbits. They are not reflecting the same thing?

https://i.imgur.com/kgbUYKH.png


I believe tidbits takes past 12 run average and wxbell is latest single run, in this case today's 06Z


Unless I'm mistaken it's also 6z on tidbits, cfsv2 is an ensemble of runs. The actual NCEP source has below anomalies week 3 and 4 so it may have something to do with discrepancies with climo.

https://i.imgur.com/UNWSYe0.png


That’s weird…
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3423 Postby Sambucol » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:09 pm

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gpsnowman wrote:Parts of Siberia on Tuesday could reach the -90s F. Brrrr.


Where? And did this end up happening?

Looks like north/central Siberia. It's such a huge area of nothing but frigid cold. Not sure exactly where but according to Ryan Maue models had -90s but maybe only reached the -80s. Not much of a difference. Cpv17 in a post above mentions several Russian cities that have come close to -90. Maybe check those out currently.


That’s colder than it was for the cold air mass last month. I think Siberia got down to -70 or in that general area.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3424 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:25 pm

The ARCTIC PUMP is priming - That is some MAJOR cold bottled up in the Arctic....been awhile since I've seen 7 day anomalies like this in that part of the world during coldest time of year!

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3425 Postby harp » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:30 pm

orangeblood wrote:The ARCTIC PUMP is priming - That is some MAJOR cold bottled up in the Arctic....been awhile since I've seen 7 day anomalies like this in that part of the world during coldest time of year!

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-deterministic/nhemi/t2m_f_anom_7day/1673352000/1674734400-4ZrxnRE0PDA.png

Yep! Just need something to drive it south.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3426 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:32 pm

While not negative, SOI has taken a pretty steep fall. Last big fall was mid December also not all that negative then but did shift the convection. Likely signals changes in tropical forcing.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3427 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:41 pm

orangeblood wrote:The ARCTIC PUMP is priming - That is some MAJOR cold bottled up in the Arctic....been awhile since I've seen 7 day anomalies like this in that part of the world during coldest time of year!

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-deterministic/nhemi/t2m_f_anom_7day/1673352000/1674734400-4ZrxnRE0PDA.png


In the near to medium term, high Arctic ridging is setting stage for TPV to develop over North America. Seeding the cold air to our side of the globe. We still have a -AO that has been persistent all winter so far. It just needed the Pacific to not mix maritime air.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3428 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:15 pm

Pretty good agreement today from ENs and OPs ~20th the final system will come into the interior west and ridging builds up behind it marking the end of this 'January thaw' along with a shutoff to the California rains. In fact after that California may embark in an unusual warm/dry stretch due to western and EPO ridge linkage. Interior west and central US will cool first and spread east. Arctic air won't come, if it does, until after the 25th when mslp rises and HP domes come down from the Arctic blocking.

We are setting up for cold dumps if we can the right delivery pattern.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3429 Postby Quixotic » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:12 pm

Dreaming of a big bowling ball low.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3430 Postby harp » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:22 pm

GFS shows…..nothing.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3431 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 6:41 pm

harp wrote:GFS shows…..nothing.


It’s not going to yet. Too early.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3432 Postby harp » Tue Jan 10, 2023 7:55 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
harp wrote:GFS shows…..nothing.


It’s not going to yet. Too early.

I know, but damn….
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3433 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:28 pm

We've been here before in January, the models were basically hopeless. Just wait another 1-3 weeks and soon, we're back in business.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3434 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:29 pm

Our TV met just put up a story that the start of February looks "frigid" :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3435 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:57 pm

Brent wrote:Our TV met just put up a story that the start of February looks "frigid" :double:


That’s my feeling. I think the tail end of January may be cool to cold, but anything major is probably the first couple of weeks of February, if we get the delivery.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3436 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:26 pm

We knew that the pattern change would not be followed by big cold b/c there is no big cold in NA. The big question is, how long does the pattern shift hold, and do we finally see some bigger cold, or is it just seasonal? Going back to the Fall, the NPJ has been pretty relentless, except for the relaxation that allowed the December cold snap. I did have concerns that the Pacific might reload and bring us right back to this Pacific air flood, but things seem to be trending away from that. However, MJO 4/5/6 might be lurking, which would probably be the end of things. The current MJO is being overwhelmed by the strong SPV, but the warmer phases wouldn't face the same issues. Hopefully, the Pacific will play nice, and we at least get a few weeks of seasonal weather.

Also, I'm pretty salty that the wetter pattern across Texas vanished from the longer range. At one point, it looked like most of Texas would at least see some rain with these warmer temps, but that never materialized.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3437 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:52 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Also, I'm pretty salty that the wetter pattern across Texas vanished from the longer range. At one point, it looked like most of Texas would at least see some rain with these warmer temps, but that never materialized.


SOI is king here. We are so sensitive to it. The pattern that drenched California typically gives us lots of qpf too but it dries up and redelivers to the east. Only solidifies the SOI to our long term rainy patterns.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3438 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:40 pm

How does tropical forcing play a role in all of this? And does it have to be in a certain area?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3439 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:13 am

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#3440 Postby Brent » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:42 am

The end of the GFS may be starting to show the change
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