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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3601 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:25 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:So, some of these models I think would make it cold enough to freeze area ponds in DFW. Not sure about lakes.

I just Googled this, and one site claims it takes weeks of freezing temps to be solid. That's absurd from my memory as a kid. Every couple years it would get cold enough to skate or sled on ponds for at least a few days a year. It didn't take long if 20 or below.

The colder the better for this though. If it's hovering just below 32, there's not much chance of freezing water here in Texas.


I've skated on Ponds near Denton when I was a kid. Its doesn't take weeks of freezing, just really cold. Well maybe it does to be super safe. I was dumb but lived (although I do remember the sounds of creaking almost cracking ice).
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3602 Postby orangeblood » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:25 pm

Longhornmaniac8 wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Man, Thursday could spell trouble across North Texas if temps trend downward...Euro ENS QPF values would be a major ice storm. Also, very aggressive with Monday systems

https://images.weatherbell.com/meteogram/ecmwf-ensemble/KFWD/indiv_qpf_24/1612785600/1612785600-lLyhpStPYQ0.png


Any chance you could do a temperature cross section for the Austin area like you did for DFW? I've never seen that presentation before, and it's really interesting.


Sure, here is Austin Mabry from the GFS

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3603 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:28 pm

I am considering whether to buy a portable generator. But, so far models don't show a major ice storm. Yet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3604 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:28 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Man, Thursday could spell trouble across North Texas if temps trend downward...Euro ENS QPF values would be a major ice storm. Also, very aggressive with Monday systems

https://images.weatherbell.com/meteogram/ecmwf-ensemble/KFWD/indiv_qpf_24/1612785600/1612785600-lLyhpStPYQ0.png


9z SREF had a few members below freezing and the other models show it being close but DFW staying above freezing. Now take that and spin in the issues with handling shallow cold air movement...


I think DFW area will drop to 32 of below Wednesday night and then not warm much if any after that. Looking at some of the soundings and this arctic outbreak looks to stick around through much of next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3605 Postby Sambucol » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:34 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:I am considering whether to buy a portable generator. But, so far models don't show a major ice storm. Yet.

Go ahead and buy it. Leave it in the box. If you don’t need it return it. That’s what I did for Ike. And I ended up needing it. Better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3606 Postby orangeblood » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:37 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:I am considering whether to buy a portable generator. But, so far models don't show a major ice storm. Yet.


The Euro Ensembles definitely show a major ice storm criteria (as far as QPF is concerned) if temps drop below freezing by Wednesday night!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3607 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:38 pm

Sambucol wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:I am considering whether to buy a portable generator. But, so far models don't show a major ice storm. Yet.

Go ahead and buy it. Leave it in the box. If you don’t need it return it. That’s what I did for Ike. And I ended up needing it. Better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it.




Just note some stores charge restocking fees on generators.

We have one and I'm making sure I have all the gas cans filled in the next couple days regardless, just in case.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3608 Postby EnnisTx » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:38 pm

Sambucol wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:I am considering whether to buy a portable generator. But, so far models don't show a major ice storm. Yet.

Go ahead and buy it. Leave it in the box. If you don’t need it return it. That’s what I did for Ike. And I ended up needing it. Better to have it and not need it that need it and not have it.


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3609 Postby rwfromkansas » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:49 pm

I saw some on Amazon a few days ago that looked good, so I think I will talk my wife into getting one tonight. We could always use it later on trips or something, so probably worth it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3610 Postby EnnisTx » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:56 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:I saw some on Amazon a few days ago that looked good, so I think I will talk my wife into getting one tonight. We could always use it later on trips or something, so probably worth it.


You can always return it if not needed.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3611 Postby Cerlin » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:02 pm

Even restocking/returning fees would be worth it to mitigate potential loss of power.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3612 Postby SoupBone » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:06 pm

So what's the current thinking for the Greater Houston Area with this thing? Is Wxman57 gonna freeze and then crack into a million pieces?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3613 Postby orangeblood » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:13 pm

FW NWS DISCUSSION...one of the most aggressive long range forecasts I've seen out of them re: winter weather

.LONG TERM... /NEW/
/Wednesday onward/

Key Messages:
(1) Below normal temperatures will continue through the week, with
much below normal to near record low temperatures possible by the
weekend. Dangerously cold wind chill factors will be possible by
Sunday.

(2) There will be multiple chances at frozen precipitation, with
the best chances looking to be Wednesday night, Thursday, and
Saturday. The amounts and degree of impacts are highly uncertain
at this time.

(3) There will certainly be changes to the forecast over the next
several days, but now is the time to review plans for very cold
weather.

Morning surface analysis shows a large Arctic air mass across the
eastern two-thirds of the CONUS, though the southern edge of this
air mass remains to our north at this time. The Arctic air mass
should overspread our region later tonight as a cold front moves
south (see short-term forecast discussion).

Successive shots of cold air can be expected through the next
several days. The first will arrive early Wednesday morning. Some
precipitation is expected to develop near and behind the cold
front. Some light freezing rain may be possible across our
northwestern counties, but surface temperatures should be warm
enough (i.e. above 30 F) to prevent significant accumulations.
Cold air advection will continue through the day Wednesday, with
freezing temperatures forecast across much of North Texas by
Thursday morning. With ascent increasing across the region in
response to a digging shortwave trough aloft, another round of
precipitation is forecast. Given the typical shallow nature of
these Arctic cold fronts, the dominant precipitation types should
be freezing rain and/or sleet where temperatures fall below
freezing. The good news is that the forecast models indicate light
QPF, which should limit ice accumulations to no more than a few
hundredths of an inch. The probability of accumulating freezing
rain will increase the farther northwest one goes.

By the weekend, another strong push of cold air is forecast across
the Southern Plains, with the cold front arriving on Saturday.
Both the GFS and ECMWF show much below normal temperatures through
the weekend, but vary significantly with regards to just how cold
it gets. The GFS is much colder than the ECMWF and indicates
temperatures that would be among the coldest we have seen here in
decades. Specifically, the GFS is forecasting low temperatures by
Sunday morning to be near 0 F (and possibly even sub-zero near the
Red River). If this came to fruition, it would be the coldest
temperatures since the Arctic Outbreak of December 1989 (and the
coldest temperatures in North Texas in my lifetime!). The ECMWF is
not as cold, but still rather chilly. The ECMWF shows
temperatures on Sunday morning bottoming out in the upper teens to
lower 20s, which while still cold, is not quite as remarkable as
the GFS. The official forecast is colder than the ECMWF, but is
much warmer than the GFS`s extremely cold temperatures. It should
be stressed that while there is a wide range of possible outcomes
ranging from near 0 F to the mid 20s, either way, we are looking
to have the coldest temperatures of the winter so far by this
weekend and into early next week. Even in the warmer solutions,
precautions will need to be taken to protect people, plants, pets,
and pipes. Furthermore, additional rounds of frozen precipitation
will be possible with the initial cold front passage on Saturday,
then again by Monday as another upper-level shortwave trough
moves through. Right now, the models are all over the place with
regards to amounts, so the message for now is some amount of
frozen precipitation looks likely across the region on Saturday
and possibly again on Monday, but amounts are highly uncertain at
this time.


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3614 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:18 pm

That AFD warms my heart
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3615 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:21 pm

HEY Y'ALL! YOU RANG?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3616 Postby bubba hotep » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:23 pm

Still a lot of uncertainty on timing and severity of the cold. 18z 12k NAM is significantly warmer at 84hrs than the GFS, especially upstream as you track back north into Kansas & Nebraska
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3617 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:23 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3618 Postby Portastorm » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:27 pm

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:HEY Y'ALL! YOU RANG?


Look who woke up! :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3619 Postby orangeblood » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:28 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Still a lot of uncertainty on timing and severity of the cold. 18z 12k NAM is significantly warmer at 84hrs than the GFS, especially upstream as you track back north into Kansas & Nebraska


It appears to be more of a timing issue (when the Arctic Gates open up)...NAM is further west with PV than GFS, once that PV starts moving east the entire DAM breaks!!!

Also, I've noticed lately that the NAM is pretty poor at 500mb modeling outside of 60 plus hrs and with this setup, it has massive implications on timing of Arctic plunge
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3620 Postby Rgv20 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:29 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Still a lot of uncertainty on timing and severity of the cold. 18z 12k NAM is significantly warmer at 84hrs than the GFS, especially upstream as you track back north into Kansas & Nebraska


Seems to me its a timing issue rather than the NAM being warmer overall. The PV is a bit more East compare to the GFS.
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