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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4061 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:52 pm

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Ntxw wrote:Quite interesting that the Euro has trended away from sending the trough out into the Pacific Ocean. Today's run is more western/southwest trough which would help open up the floodgates like the others. So yesterday's run could've been a one off fluke.

Am I interpreting this to mean more cold air for Texas and Louisiana? Thanks.


Not quite yet, it just means don't trust any one particular model! SE ridge in play here. Upper flow from the guidance will do its best to stop the cold air from quickly moving southward via SW flow aloft. Question then is can the dense, cold air beat it?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4062 Postby harp » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:57 pm

Ntxw wrote:
harp wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Quite interesting that the Euro has trended away from sending the trough out into the Pacific Ocean. Today's run is more western/southwest trough which would help open up the floodgates like the others. So yesterday's run could've been a one off fluke.

Am I interpreting this to mean more cold air for Texas and Louisiana? Thanks.


Not quite yet, it just means don't trust any one particular model! SE ridge in play here. Upper flow from the guidance will do its best to stop the cold air from quickly moving southward via SW flow aloft. Question then is can the dense, cold air beat it?
Gotcha, thanks. The CMC does dump the cold air south towards the end of the run and it looks like it’s trying to spin up a storm. I realize that model has a cold bias, however.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4063 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:58 pm

That is a behemoth cold air mass on the guidance. Euro takes a pretty good -EPO to deliver some of it.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4064 Postby txtwister78 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:02 pm

harp wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Quite interesting that the Euro has trended away from sending the trough out into the Pacific Ocean. Today's run is more western/southwest trough which would help open up the floodgates like the others. So yesterday's run could've been a one off fluke.

Am I interpreting this to mean more cold air for Texas and Louisiana? Thanks.


As Ntxw just mentioned, there is going to be some resistance to the cold surging south initially but when you deliver that much into the pattern the trend will be for it to continue to push and perhaps overwhelm. I think as a result of the SE ridge you're going to see some potential for ice storms across portions of the southern plains due to what I think will be shallower arctic intrusions. In other words, a real battle zone could materialize with the clashes. More severe weather perhaps across the SE.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4065 Postby Ntxw » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:03 pm

The models are hedging a -3 to -4 EPO regime. It's a pretty good one alongside the very cold air source.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4066 Postby WinterMax » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:12 pm

harp wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
harp wrote:Am I interpreting this to mean more cold air for Texas and Louisiana? Thanks.


Not quite yet, it just means don't trust any one particular model! SE ridge in play here. Upper flow from the guidance will do its best to stop the cold air from quickly moving southward via SW flow aloft. Question then is can the dense, cold air beat it?
Gotcha, thanks. The CMC does dump the cold air south towards the end of the run and it looks like it’s trying to spin up a storm. I realize that model has a cold bias, however.



Yeah Harp, GFS fantasy teased us yesterday and took it back, but at least the arctic air lurks just to the north.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4067 Postby harp » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:31 pm

WinterMax wrote:
harp wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Not quite yet, it just means don't trust any one particular model! SE ridge in play here. Upper flow from the guidance will do its best to stop the cold air from quickly moving southward via SW flow aloft. Question then is can the dense, cold air beat it?
Gotcha, thanks. The CMC does dump the cold air south towards the end of the run and it looks like it’s trying to spin up a storm. I realize that model has a cold bias, however.



Yeah Harp, GFS fantasy teased us yesterday and took it back, but at least the arctic air lurks just to the north.
Yep! I’m to your east here in south Louisiana. I’m pulling for the same things you are. :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4068 Postby orangeblood » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:36 pm

Ntxw wrote:The models are hedging a -3 to -4 EPO regime. It's a pretty good one alongside the very cold air source.


Really cold 500mb look across all ensembles in week 2/3 now. Confidence going up quite substantially!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4069 Postby DallasAg » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:39 pm

First Winter Storm Watches and Winter Weather Advisories posted by LBB for the South Plains and TX panhandle for Monday night through Tuesday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4070 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:50 pm

Well Tulsa did increase my totals a little at least
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4071 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:54 pm

orangeblood wrote:
Ntxw wrote:The models are hedging a -3 to -4 EPO regime. It's a pretty good one alongside the very cold air source.


Really cold 500mb look across all ensembles in week 2/3 now. Confidence going up quite substantially!
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/nhemi/z500_anom/1674388800/1675101600-8mUPoxFyyhU.png

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/nhemi/t2m_f_anom/1674388800/1675209600-lG0tLr8qcbE.png


I like the look of the ECR. Should help funnel the cold more in a southerly direction vs SE.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4072 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:58 pm

Heavy snow at the Bills game on CBS if anyone needs a fix :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4073 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:00 pm

Brent wrote:Heavy snow at the Bills game on CBS if anyone needs a fix :lol:


I’m watching. The flakes look huge.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4074 Postby orangeblood » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:12 pm

-58 F below normal coming down early Feb on Euro Control…Ops and Controls are all hinting at what is on the table

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4075 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:23 pm

Temperature bust today, could have implications for Tuesday's system

Shawnee, OK
Expected high: 46°F
Actual High: 40°F

Ada, OK
Expected High: 48°F
Actual High: 42°F
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4076 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:23 pm

orangeblood wrote:-58 F below normal coming down early Feb on Euro Control…Ops and Controls are all hinting at what is on the table

:double:
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-c00/conus/t2m_f_anom/1674388800/1675468800-IqHh5tSvwio.png

My lord! February is going to be nasty cold!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4077 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:38 pm

Finally in 3k NAM range. 18z hits the northern burbs of DFW "pretty hard" with temps 33/34F. Obviously, areas NW of DFW up into Oklahoma do much better.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4078 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:55 pm

Wichita Falls always wins :froze: :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4079 Postby Brent » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:55 pm

Winter Storm Watch in NW Arkansas for 4-7 inches already. Wow. That's bullish :double:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#4080 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:01 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Finally in 3k NAM range. 18z hits the northern burbs of DFW "pretty hard" with temps 33/34F. Obviously, areas NW of DFW up into Oklahoma do much better.

https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam4km/2023012218/058/sn10_acc-imp.us_sc.png


That doesn’t look like much of anything for DFW.
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