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#5101 Postby Big O » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:26 am

However, "precipitation type" version of 12z GFS model depicts this as mostly sleet and freezing rain.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5102 Postby timmeister » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:36 am

CMC-GDPS Sat 25 JAN 00Z

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#5103 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:40 am

GFS trend looks good folks, lets seee what the euro does!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5104 Postby dhweather » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:13 pm

12Z GFS for DFW - 10 more days of BLAH.

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But it gets interesting afterwards. Of course I believe the GFS > 5 days. :wink:

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#5105 Postby stormlover2013 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:25 pm

Cmc way drier than previous runs!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5106 Postby wxman22 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:31 pm

Yep looks like models are starting to come into agreement, right now it looks like mainly a south Texas threat. The moisture really comes close to the immediate Houston area though, maybe the models will trend more north with the precipitation.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5107 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:43 pm

wxman22 wrote:Yep looks like models are starting to come into agreement, right now it looks like mainly a south Texas threat. The moisture really comes close to the immediate Houston area though, maybe the models will trend more north with the precipitation.


The 12Z GEFS suggests .10 to .25 qpf amounts from S Texas all the way to SW Louisiana. 050 inch amounts are offshore, but the GEFS is 'wetter' for areas along the I-10 Corridor and inland just a bit, but further S along Coastal Texas into Louisiana are in the .25 range, if the GEFS is correct.
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#5108 Postby stormlover2013 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:00 pm

Still early, so we shall see
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#5109 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:06 pm

so if the low moves early and merges with the system could it produce precip for North Texas :?:
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#5110 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:14 pm

This are Forecast Precipitation Totals thru 96hrs Wednesday Morning....If enough moisture sets up with the upcoming cold air we might be again looking for some winter fun for parts of South/Central/East Texas early next week to mid week!

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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5111 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:31 pm

The 12Z MEX/MAV and MOS text data suggest temperatures will drop into the upper 20's/low 30's behind the front. The text data also suggests wintry weather in the form of freezing rain/sleet and snow albeit light for IAH. Edit to add that the text data is showing about the same for College Station, Conroe, Hobby, Victoria, Lake Charles and lighter amounts for Austin.
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#5112 Postby wxman22 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:34 pm

12z Euro looks interesting for the southern half of southeast texas
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#5113 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:38 pm

wxman22 wrote:12z Euro looks interesting for the southern half of southeast texas


Yeap, half an inch of Snow for Southern Houston area and up to an 1'' for parts of Brazoria County up to Galveston for Tuesday afternoon..
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#5114 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:44 pm

A little eye candy from the 12GFS but as Big O mentioned earlier most of the "Precipitation Type" is mostly Sleet with some Freezing Rain.

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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5115 Postby HouTXmetro » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:07 pm

Soo.. I know most models are saying the threat is further south but couldn't we have a situation like last event where the heavier stuff actually ended up North and East? Correct me if I'm wrong but Louisiana was suppose to be relatively dry last event and they ended up getting way more than expected as the event unfolded.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5116 Postby wxman22 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:16 pm

I was thinking the same thing, that's always a possibility, remember a couple of days before this weeks event began the models had most of the moisture around the coastal bend region,but the total opposite ended up panning out, at the same time the next cold air mass looks abit drier than this weeks air mass which could make it harder for the system to overcome, time will tell...
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#5117 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:46 pm

Update from Jeff:

Nice warm up over the past 24 hours underway today with mainly sunny skies and returning southerly winds.

Warm up will be short lived and another arctic boundary will be plowing through the state by Monday brining another round of cold temperatures.

Upper air pattern remains locked in place with a deep trough over the eastern US and ridge over the western US which continues to send cold arctic air out of NW Canada southward into the plains and Midwest and then toward the east coast. TX is on the western edge of this trough and a slight buckle as seen Thursday will send a piece of these very cold air masses a little bit further south and west across the state. This looks to happen again by early next week with another arctic boundary moving down the plains and off the TX coast.

Expect the boundary to reach the area Monday and push off the coast Monday afternoon. Temperatures will warm into the upper 60’s on Sunday and highs on Monday will be prior to the front and then quickly fall into the 30’s and 40’s behind the boundary with another bout of strong north winds. Temperatures by Tuesday morning look to be freezing or below across nearly all of the area.

Precipitation Chances:

Up until last night this front looked mostly dry with just an increase in clouds, but recent model guidance is now suggesting a piece of energy may drop into the area around Baja and attempt to push moisture northward into the cold air. This brings into question yet again the potential for a mix of winter precipitation starting late Monday into early Tuesday and possibly lasting into late Wednesday. Forecast models are not in good agreement at all on if moisture can push back into the region fighting against the southward push of dry cold arctic air. What is concerning is that yesterday none of the models were suggesting any precipitation at all in the cold air and now today they are all to varying degrees trying to push moisture back into the region from the SSW. Much will likely depend on how the piece of energy near Baja is handled. A more cut-off and stalled piece of energy would likely keep lift and moisture out of the area while a more progressive system would bring moisture and lift back into the cold air. Not enough confidence in either solution at this point to attempt to side one way or the other.

Given the broad spectrum of possibilities at this point and the very low confidence think the best course of action is to lean toward the drier solution and await additional model runs to see if the “wetter” trend holds or increases….if so winter precipitation and potential accumulation will have to be closely examined for the Tuesday-Wednesday period as it appears temperatures will be cold enough to support a mixture of P-types. A wait and see approach for the next 24 hours.

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Model liquid accumulations were on the low side for the last event (Thursday-Friday). Rain gages showed anywhere from .30-.50 of an inch of liquid with ice/sleet accumulations of around .05 to .15 of an inch. Luckily the temperature was above freezing during a good part of the rainfall on Thursday evening or icing would have been much more significant. As proven it only takes a very small amount of ice on roadways to cause really big problems.

Snowfall rations across our northern counties matched very well with the liquid to solid relationship. Amounts averaged 1-2 inches with a couple of 3-4 inch amounts around Lake Livingston. Interestingly the forecast models suggested the greatest band of precip. would be along the I-10 and US 59 corridors when in reality the best banding ended up from College Station to Livingston in an area where it appeared before the event too much dry air would be in place.
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#5118 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:50 pm

Still hoping for a phaser, that would be quite a storm for lots of people including parts of the gulf coast. But the major models right now favor a disconnect which is ideal for deep south TX and Nrn Mexico. Lots of time to change as both systems from n and s are still a long way off before good data ingest.
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#5119 Postby dhweather » Sat Jan 25, 2014 3:32 pm

There will not be any precip in North Texas next week. Next week will be much like this week, we get cold and nothing else.
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#5120 Postby hriverajr » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:39 pm

Ntxw wrote:Still hoping for a phaser, that would be quite a storm for lots of people including parts of the gulf coast. But the major models right now favor a disconnect which is ideal for deep south TX and Nrn Mexico. Lots of time to change as both systems from n and s are still a long way off before good data ingest.


I personally don't want it to phase. We got nothing here in Del Rio at all.. a phasing system would leave us high and dry again :P
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