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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5621 Postby southerngale » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:27 pm

funster wrote:Lol. Two wimpy Green Bay Players think its too cold here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-28zgpFyM40


That's hilarious! I was just telling my sister earlier today that I bet some of those players and fans weren't expecting to get here and find a winter storm and freezing temps.


Btw, it's already 24° here and 28° down at the airport! Still steadily dropping.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5622 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:28 pm

I use accuwx pro for that one. There is a free site somewhere, not sure where though =/
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5623 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:29 pm

Ntxw wrote:I use accuwx pro for that one. There is a free site somewhere, not sure where though =/



Well can you tell me what it is showing for our area please? :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5624 Postby Ntxw » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:32 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:
Ntxw wrote:I use accuwx pro for that one. There is a free site somewhere, not sure where though =/



Well can you tell me what it is showing for our area please? :)


Identical to the Canadian almost.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5625 Postby TrekkerCC » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:33 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Ntxw wrote:
I use accuwx pro for that one. There is a free site somewhere, not sure where though =/



Well can you tell me what it is showing for our area please?


You can view the JMA here: http://www.wxcaster.com/conus_0012_foreign_models.htm

Be advised - the JMA model is not the best model out there.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5626 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:37 pm

Thanks trekker. I hope the GFS sends me to bed a happy camper! :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5627 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:37 pm

Ntxw wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:
Ntxw wrote:I use accuwx pro for that one. There is a free site somewhere, not sure where though =/



Well can you tell me what it is showing for our area please? :)


Identical to the Canadian almost.

dont tease me ! ;)
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#5628 Postby snow4444 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:39 pm

What are the new models showing for the DFW area and the cold and precip this thursday and into next week. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5629 Postby orangeblood » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:42 pm

gboudx wrote:
southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU:

Potentially a historic snow event in the making for SE TX. Models continue to trend wetter and while QPF is not all that int he GFS its moisture fields above the surface are for sure. Am starting to think the CMC is on the right track here and feel some impressive totals will be possible with meso scale banding. Could easily see 3-5 inches across the entire area with bands over 6-8 inches ([b]my latest e-mail has a discussion of the thinking, if someone could post it). I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here?

Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.
[/b]


Was it posted? He sent it around 5:30. Here it is in either case:

Impressive arctic air mass pouring into the region late this afternoon with temperatures at or below freezing along and N of a line from Columbus to Tomball to Livingston. Cold air advection showing no signs of giving up with NW winds still howling at 25-35mph driving wind chills into the teens. Temperature records may be tied or broken over the next few days. Appears this will be the coldest air across N TX since the great outbreak of Dec 1989.

After reviewing full 12Z guidance, pattern upcoming pattern resembles that of past historical snow events over TX and is almost a mirror image of the very impressive 2004 Christmas event (only difference is more moisture and a stornger upper level storm, yes stronger than 2004!!!). CMC model refuses to back down on its very impressive snow fall totals and the GFS is starting to trend wetter. Not sure why the GFS and ECMWF are not producing more QPF as they show good moisture advection and near saturated surface to 500mb by late Thursday night completely below freezing. Given the forecast location of a developing coastal low, very strong upper level forcing and dynamics, and good Gulf moisture advection it all points to widespread heavy snowfall with impressive meso scale banding features.

With ground temperatures expected to be below freezing much of the time leading up to the event there will be little to no warmth for melting as the snow starts and this fact alone will help beef up totals.

If I would have forecasted a foot of snow in Victoria in 2004, I probably would not have believed myself much less expected others to believe me...and I have a really hard time forecasting totals more than 2-3" at this time. However I am becoming increasingly concerned that a potential historic snow event may be in the making and totals could be greater than 6-8 inches over parts of the area. Under meso scale banding hourly snowfall rates could approach 1-2 inches of accumulation with visibilities dropping to near 1/4th of a mile. Where these bands set up we could really see totals ramp up quick.

Right now will expand the 1-3" snow fall to include much of the area north of a line from Port Lavaca east to the coast near Palacios and then to High Island and inland to HWY 105. South of a line from Port Lavaca to San Antonio a mix of snow/sleet will cut totals down into the 1/2 to 1.5 inch range.

Extended period of sub freezing temperatures prior to the event will result in rare significant snow accumulation not only on bridges but all surface streets. Expect all roadways to become snow covered creating very dangerous driving conditions by late Thursday evening.

Suspect a Winter Storm Watch will be issued on Wednesday for the entire area or parts of the area as we move to within 36-40 hours of the onset of the event.



Can a pro met or someone explain to me how this potential event coming up is what Jeff Lindner calls a 'Mirror' image to the 2004 Storm ?? In 2004, the southeast ridge was extremely weak and allowed the trough to swing out into the Gulf of Mexico. This southeast ridge, which is much stronger now, appears like it will prevent any trough from swinging out into the gulf and also shear it as it moves to the northeast. The trajectories of the two troughs, as they move out of Northern Mexico, seem completely different and thus hard to compare.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5630 Postby downsouthman1 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:44 pm

Albuquerque, NM is supposed to get 4 inches of snow by tomorrow & I have no reason to believe that storm won't intensify as it rounds the base of the trough in northern Mexico. Watching a water vapor loop right now is just scary. I think the ULL will cross Mexico into TX somewhere between El Paso & Brownsville & move generally East/Northeast. I know that's a pretty big spread but I do not believe this will be a gulf system. I'm thinking more interior. That is certainly not to say that the gulf coast won't see snow, because it should. I'm simply referring to the path of the ULL. The reason I have so much uncertainty is because the ULL itself is still way up in southeastern WY.

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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5631 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:45 pm

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
932 PM CST TUE FEB 1 2011

.CLIMATE...
DFW...RECORD LOW FOR FEB 2ND...7 DEGREES SET IN 1985.
RECORD LOW MAXIMUM FOR FEB 2ND....21 DEGREES SET IN
1905.
RECORD LOW FOR FEB 3RD...14 DEGREES SET IN 1996...1985
AND 1905.

ALL THREE OF THESE RECORDS ARE IN DANGER OF BEING TIED OR
BROKEN.

WACO...RECORD LOW FOR FEB 2ND...4 DEGREES SET IN 1985.
RECORD LOW MAXIMUM FOR FEB 2ND....27 DEGREES SET IN
1985.
RECORD LOW FOR FEB 3RD...12 DEGREES SET IN 1985.

THE FIRST LOW FOR FEB 2ND IS SAFE...THE LOW MAX FOR FEB 2ND
AND THE RECORD LOW FOR FEB 3 ARE IN DANGER OF BEING TIED OR
BROKEN.

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&&

.UPDATE...
920 PM CST TUE FEB 1 2011
SKIES HAVE BEEN CLEARING ACROSS THE METROPLEX THIS EVENING. THE
CLEARING SKIES AND LOW DEWPOINTS MAY BE PARTIALLY OFFSET BY THE
CONTINUING WINDS. SO HAVE GENERALLY JUST LOWERED TEMPERATURES BY
A DEGREE OR TWO ACROSS THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL ZONES. WE ALSO
EXPECT TO SEE AN INCREASE IN THE CLOUDS FROM THE WEST TOWARD
DAYBREAK. HAVE BUMPED THE OVERNIGHT WINDS A TAD GIVEN THE CURRENT
TRENDS. UPDATES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SENT.

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#5632 Postby txagwxman » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:45 pm

Losing gas pressure in Dallas---friend just texted me.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5633 Postby BrokenGlass » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:46 pm

11.8 degrees in Richardson as of 9:45 pm.

:cold: :cold: :cold: :cold: :cold: :cold: :cold: :cold:
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#5634 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:46 pm

txagwxman wrote:Losing gas pressure in Dallas---friend just texted me.


What? Like heating gas? Does he work for the gas company?
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#5635 Postby downsouthman1 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:48 pm

txagwxman wrote:Losing gas pressure in Dallas---friend just texted me.


Not experienced with that. Do low temperatures reduce pressure? & if so, how low must temperature go to completely kill it, if possible?
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#5636 Postby BrokenGlass » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:50 pm

txagwxman wrote:Losing gas pressure in Dallas---friend just texted me.

Pardon my ignorance, but what does that mean? Gas shortage? I wonder if that is what drove the schools to make a quick decision to announce closures for tomorrow? (wind, sublimation seems to be taking care of the roads to a certain extent). I remember gas issues driving school closures in Dallas back in '79 or so.
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#5637 Postby gboudx » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:51 pm

LOL, yeah we could use a bit more explanation from aggiewxman.
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5638 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:52 pm

orangeblood wrote:
gboudx wrote:
southerngale wrote:Jeff Lindner, about 15 minutes ago, on KHOU:

Potentially a historic snow event in the making for SE TX. Models continue to trend wetter and while QPF is not all that int he GFS its moisture fields above the surface are for sure. Am starting to think the CMC is on the right track here and feel some impressive totals will be possible with meso scale banding. Could easily see 3-5 inches across the entire area with bands over 6-8 inches ([b]my latest e-mail has a discussion of the thinking, if someone could post it). I could see someone getting a foot also, but who would forecast a foot of snow down here?

Interesting that the NAM wants to kick things off a bit earlier now on Thursday afternoon.

Suspect Watches will be hoisted tomorrow as we fall within 36 hours of the onset.
[/b]


Was it posted? He sent it around 5:30. Here it is in either case:

Impressive arctic air mass pouring into the region late this afternoon with temperatures at or below freezing along and N of a line from Columbus to Tomball to Livingston. Cold air advection showing no signs of giving up with NW winds still howling at 25-35mph driving wind chills into the teens. Temperature records may be tied or broken over the next few days. Appears this will be the coldest air across N TX since the great outbreak of Dec 1989.

After reviewing full 12Z guidance, pattern upcoming pattern resembles that of past historical snow events over TX and is almost a mirror image of the very impressive 2004 Christmas event (only difference is more moisture and a stornger upper level storm, yes stronger than 2004!!!). CMC model refuses to back down on its very impressive snow fall totals and the GFS is starting to trend wetter. Not sure why the GFS and ECMWF are not producing more QPF as they show good moisture advection and near saturated surface to 500mb by late Thursday night completely below freezing. Given the forecast location of a developing coastal low, very strong upper level forcing and dynamics, and good Gulf moisture advection it all points to widespread heavy snowfall with impressive meso scale banding features.

With ground temperatures expected to be below freezing much of the time leading up to the event there will be little to no warmth for melting as the snow starts and this fact alone will help beef up totals.

If I would have forecasted a foot of snow in Victoria in 2004, I probably would not have believed myself much less expected others to believe me...and I have a really hard time forecasting totals more than 2-3" at this time. However I am becoming increasingly concerned that a potential historic snow event may be in the making and totals could be greater than 6-8 inches over parts of the area. Under meso scale banding hourly snowfall rates could approach 1-2 inches of accumulation with visibilities dropping to near 1/4th of a mile. Where these bands set up we could really see totals ramp up quick.

Right now will expand the 1-3" snow fall to include much of the area north of a line from Port Lavaca east to the coast near Palacios and then to High Island and inland to HWY 105. South of a line from Port Lavaca to San Antonio a mix of snow/sleet will cut totals down into the 1/2 to 1.5 inch range.

Extended period of sub freezing temperatures prior to the event will result in rare significant snow accumulation not only on bridges but all surface streets. Expect all roadways to become snow covered creating very dangerous driving conditions by late Thursday evening.

Suspect a Winter Storm Watch will be issued on Wednesday for the entire area or parts of the area as we move to within 36-40 hours of the onset of the event.



Can a pro met or someone explain to me how this potential event coming up is what Jeff Lindner calls a 'Mirror' image to the 2004 Storm ?? In 2004, the southeast ridge was extremely weak and allowed the trough to swing out into the Gulf of Mexico. This southeast ridge, which is much stronger now, appears like it will prevent any trough from swinging out into the gulf and also shear it as it moves to the northeast. The trajectories of the two troughs, as they move out of Northern Mexico, seem completely different and thus hard to compare.


I somewhat agree with you, the bullseye will not be near victoria like in 2004, but i think it will be further north. im reading about the 2004 storm right now actually

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/bro/rese ... orales.pdf
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Re: Texas Winter 2010-2011

#5639 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:53 pm

Does anyone think the trough looks stronger on the 00z GFS so far compared to previous runs?
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#5640 Postby orangeblood » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:53 pm

snow4444 wrote:What are the new models showing for the DFW area and the cold and precip this thursday and into next week. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.


Latest SREF trends are becoming much more promising for snow across central into north Texas on Thursday night. The latest SREF snow probablity run shows a 75-80% chance across parts of the area.
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