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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7401 Postby jasons2k » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:21 am

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jasons2k wrote:One thing you have to wonder when comparing records against events like 1899 is also some of the anecdotal evidence. Back in 1899, portions of Galveston Bay froze over. Ice jams were reported on the Mississippi River down to New Orleans.

This event was close on paper, but nowhere near anything like those accounts. Just an observation.


Also anecdotal but just a hunch, I have read articles of such water systems freezing/ice floes in the early 1900s and 1930s as well with much less cold. Damming the rivers prevents ice from flowing freely down from the North, with the numerous levees and locks. I suspect also there is warming of the waterways due to human activity since then. Much harder to freeze nowadays.


I think it makes a difference, yes, by a couple of degrees, but the accounts seem to be more than that. Just my opinion after growing-up reading extensively about 1899. That's a tall order to meet and this wasn't it. This was more like '83 and '89 but 1899 was in a league of its own, and with the limited data from back then, we probably don't understand just how cold it really was.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7402 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:22 am

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7403 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:38 am

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jasons2k wrote:One thing you have to wonder when comparing records against events like 1899 is also some of the anecdotal evidence. Back in 1899, portions of Galveston Bay froze over. Ice jams were reported on the Mississippi River down to New Orleans.

This event was close on paper, but nowhere near anything like those accounts. Just an observation.


Also anecdotal but just a hunch, I have read articles of such water systems freezing/ice floes in the early 1900s and 1930s as well with much less cold. Damming the rivers prevents ice from flowing freely down from the North, with the numerous levees and locks. I suspect also there is warming of the waterways due to human activity since then. Much harder to freeze nowadays.


I think it makes a difference, yes, by a couple of degrees, but the accounts seem to be more than that. Just my opinion after growing-up reading extensively about 1899. That's a tall order to meet and this wasn't it. This was more like '83 and '89 but 1899 was in a league of its own, and with the limited data from back then, we probably don't understand just how cold it really was.


Yeah I have no doubt 1899 was much colder and for a larger area for sure. Just noting ice and freezes in those bodies of water (it doesn't need get extremely just cold long enough) is getting much harder when colder water is not flowing easily from upstream as they are compared to the past.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7404 Postby Shoshana » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:09 am

rendihess wrote:This may be something everyone already knows, but your hot water heater still has good water in it. If it isn't frozen. Stay warm!!

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Shoshana wrote:Our water came back overnight. Hopefully others like Portastorm got theirs too! Was so happy when electric came back mostly so the neighbor with the generator could turn it off. We could smell the exhaust in our living room where we were camping out since it was the warmest (relatively) room in the house. We had to retreat upstairs where is was much colder but safer.


I am happy you got your water and electricity back and did so safely! Unfortunately I am now Day 3 with no water. I've probably got another 24 hours of drinkable water and retention pond toilet flush water. After that I will need to take some action. I know way too many people are in worse situations than mine, but I will concede that I'm pretty damn miserable right now with no water for 72 hours.



My sister and brother-in-law in Lewisville have a busted pips and no water. They are tapping their 40 gal hot water heater. I think he is going to try to patch the pipe till the plumber gets there Mar 3. The busted pipe goes to an outdoor spigot.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7405 Postby weatherdude1108 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:10 am

JDawg512 wrote:Pretty funny and neat little clip here from the day after the "blizzard"...


By the way, I must warn everyone that the song played in the video does have some cussing so be aware of that before watching.

https://youtu.be/d6GHutXVW0M


Ha! Did you see this one? Wild!

https://fb.watch/3MMvWoj9id/
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7406 Postby Texas Snowman » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:41 am

When the temperature rose above 32 degrees early yesterday afternoon here in Denison/Sherman (at North Texas Regional Airport), it capped the consecutive hours below freezing streak at 251 hours.

While that falls short of tying the record of 295 consecutive hours of sub freezing weather set in December 1983, it is the second longest such streak in local history.

According to KXII TV meteorologist Steve LaNore, the top duration freeze events here are:
1. December 1983 (13 days)
2. February 2021 (10 days)
3. January 1948 (8 days)
4. February 1905 (7 days)
5. January 1942 (6 days)

In addition to the runner-up streak of sub freezing weather, we set the all-time record low temperature mark for Denison and Sherman at -4 degrees, breaking the previous mark of -2 degrees set back in 1949 and 1989.

Alas, we got much less snow than others in Texas and Oklahoma, getting only 4-6 inches across Denison.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7407 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:48 am

Brent wrote:
Quixotic wrote:At least one or two more chances would be nice. I think we are going to have a rocking spring severe season.


I've been seeing a lot of comparisons to 2011 lately(this cold was even originally on that level) let's hope it's not that rocking :double:


This has been talked about on Twitter and on another weather forum I'm in, but this year and 2011 really aren't too similar. The drought is far more focused over the Southwest instead of the Southern Plains and western Dixie Alley. Outside of that there some similarities that you'll get in any west based La Nina, but the location of the drought and the Gulf are both important for severe weather season. The Gulf did cool a bit, but it's still slightly above average and it looks to have begun to warm a bit already. How much it can warm the next 2-3 weeks will be important.

This drought is very interesting though, it will likely create stronger EMLs in the central Southern Plains and points eastward. These EMLs would be hard to break in a neutral year (and El Nino) but with a west based La Nina and the PNA expected to be negative, I think we will see plenty of lift on severe weather days. I think this is going to result in a different type of active year this year than 2011. I don't think we'll see a super outbreak this year (though I certainly could be wrong) but instead I think we could see multiple high end severe weather events that are more localized. So pretty much there wouldn't be a ton of violent tornadoes on one day, but instead spread out over multiple events. Possibly more like May 2011, but spread out over the Spring, or like May 2013 where we saw 3 violent tornadoes in 15 days.

I do think this will be a very active and possibly a catastrophic tornado season, just not in the same way as 2011. Kind of like how 2020's hurricane season wasn't that similar to 2005 but was extremely active and destructive in it's own way. One of the dangers of having multiple high end severe weather outbreaks are the same areas getting hit multiple times in a season. We saw this in 2020's hurricane season.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7408 Postby funster » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:11 am

Hz data showing unstable Texas grid. Texas almost lost it all. Texas should have a one of the best grids with all its resources from fossil fuels and renewables. This is more like a grid behaves in a third world country. We don't deserve fun winter weather if we can't handle it. People being found frozen to death? WTH

 https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1363150611554967553


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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7409 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:11 am

Looking for more winter weather? It looks like sometime b/w Feb 25 and early March might be the best last chance. After that ensembles show the cold retreating to the other side of the world. The end of Feb to first of March timeframe doesn't look overly cold as the ensembles are in pretty good agreement that a TPV stays up in Northern Canada keeping the core of the cold with it. It would probably take a very dynamic system to produce snow south of the Red River with the air mass that the ensembles are showing, better chances of winter wx probably up in Oklahoma.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7410 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:15 am

funster wrote:Hz data showing unstable Texas grid. Texas almost lost it all. Texas should have a one of the best grids with all its resources from fossil fuels and renewables. This is more like a grid behaves in a third world country. We don't deserve fun winter weather if we can't handle it. People being found frozen to death? WTH

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1363150611554967553


I don't know what the root cause might be but it probably had something to do with the people in control believing that this type of cold snap was a thing of the past. Hopefully, changes are made quickly, just incase the low solar people are right about us heading into a period of more extreme cold events.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7411 Postby Ntxw » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:42 am

bubba hotep wrote:
funster wrote:Hz data showing unstable Texas grid. Texas almost lost it all. Texas should have a one of the best grids with all its resources from fossil fuels and renewables. This is more like a grid behaves in a third world country. We don't deserve fun winter weather if we can't handle it. People being found frozen to death? WTH

https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1363150611554967553


I don't know what the root cause might be but it probably had something to do with the people in control believing that this type of cold snap was a thing of the past. Hopefully, changes are made quickly, just incase the low solar people are right about us heading into a period of more extreme cold events.


Infrastructure in my opinion. You can have all the energy in the world, means little if your methods of producing and delivering it is not properly maintained and prepared.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7412 Postby aggiecutter » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:02 pm

The picture in the article below has gone viral nationwide. Jimmy Kimmel mentioned it in his monologue the other night. It is now a feature article in the NY Post. The picture and associated video was taken by The Weather Channel videographer this past week. It is a picture-video of Stateline Avenue in Texarkana. The Arkansas side of Stateline Avenue had been plowed, but the Texas side had not. The picture-video is causing a lot of backlash for the Texas DOT:

https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/arkansas- ... d-in-snow/
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7413 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:15 pm

InfernoFlameCat wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Some insane cold appearing in Northern Canada. Delivery pattern may not be as great as the past two weeks but look at Greenland, wasn't there before..

https://i.imgur.com/PSycWq2.png
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Weather has broken.

It's not Heat Miser (Wxman57) that is causing this, it's his archrival Jack Frost! :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7414 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 pm

12z GFS on Tropical Tidbits is Extremely late, but it's fine on Pivotal Weather . . . :roll:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7415 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:23 pm

Iceresistance wrote:12z GFS on Tropical Tidbits is Extremely late, but it's fine on Pivotal Weather . . . :roll:


I love what Levi has done with TT but, unfortunately, I find myself using Pivotal more and more. With Levi working fulltime and his site being totally free, he probably just doesn't have the time or resources to keep up with the free portions of other sites.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7416 Postby Haris » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:39 pm

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Our fine men and women at the NwS out this together last night. Just wow....
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7417 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:41 pm

The Storm that gave out the Winter Storm Warnings for every single County in Texas, Oklahoma, & Arkansas has been given a CAT 3 "Major" Rating by the National Climatic Data Center with a RSI index of a 8.048.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7418 Postby wxman57 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:03 pm

I decided to stay a bit longer in Darwin, until I was sure Houston was above freezing. Arrived about 9am today with the temperature in the low 40s and rising fast. Haven't I always said that when I REALLY see cold and winter weather coming that I'd let you know? Well, I certainly did see it coming last week. I sent word to my people at the US-Canada Arctic air wall that they can close the gate now. Looks like Houston had a high of only 25 last Monday, and a low of 13F on Tuesday. This event didn't match 1983 or 1989 in terms of pure brutal cold or duration of cold. 1983 didn't have as much winter weather, though.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7419 Postby hriverajr » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:06 pm

Haris wrote:[url]https://i.ibb.co/HhCMp9x/4864-EC3-F-7594-43-C0-A859-FB3252-E9-F397.jpg [/url]
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Our fine men and women at the NwS out this together last night. Just wow....


Del Rio hit the jackpot so to speak. It was almost worth the 4 days without power and the 2 days without water here.



Link: https://youtu.be/7KnBijSDIko
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#7420 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:33 pm

I just got a Email from my friend (Underthwx), he has gotten everything fixed & now has running water, also no rolling blackouts for him . . .
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