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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2681 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:52 pm

Haris wrote:WXman57 wont like thaat NAM.

Big event in SCTX if it and hrrr verifies


And Southern Texas for snow if the 15z SREF verified. :eek:
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2682 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:56 pm

Yes the Nam has been consistent! Now has an even bigger area of ice and sleet. Now showing a gulf low at same time… hello Christmas 2004 :)
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2683 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:58 pm

Haris wrote:WXman57 wont like thaat NAM.

Big event in SCTX if it and hrrr verifies


I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2684 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:02 pm

wxman57 wrote:
Haris wrote:WXman57 wont like thaat NAM.

Big event in SCTX if it and hrrr verifies


I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the NAM and HRRR. They certainly look reasonable if we see a stronger disturbance moving across Mexico. Cold temperatures won't be the problem...moisture looks to be the limiting factor right now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2685 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:07 pm

I would pay the Weather Gods money to make the NAM happen, except move the bullseyes over SW Houston and SW Montgomery County.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2686 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:08 pm

Is it true that we don’t have quality data of precip that comes across Mexico? I think this becomes something greater than a sleet pellet…
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2687 Postby Rgv20 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:13 pm

NWS Brownsville afternoon discussion...Forecast now calls for Wintry Precip on the forecast for the Ranchlands of Deep South Texas Thursday Night/Friday Morning. For the RGV the forecast still calls for all rain....35 and rain :cold:

.LONG TERM (Thursday through Tuesday):

There won`t be much to slow the shallow, arctic origin air mass
which will surge south into Texas late Wednesday.
A shallow mid
level trough over the Southwest will eventually synch up with the
Plains trough, creating a large scale trough just upstream. This
pattern will support overrunning and increased precipitation
chances across the CWA, primarily Thursday to Friday or even
Saturday. I say precip rather than just rain since there may be a
(currently) small, but nonzero chance of wintry precip across the
Brush Country and Ranchlands Thursday night into Friday.

Long range models are in fairly good agreement with the timing of
this front (to the coast by dawn Thursday) and also show isolated
showers late Wednesday along and ahead of the front. Overrunning
will take over soon after colder air pushes across the area with
robuster rain chances. Long range models are now stabilizing on
the details of temperature and rain chances in the wake of the
front, but there still has been a trend toward slightly lower
temperatures on Friday, moreso in the GFS. Dropped overnight low
temps a degree more Friday and Saturday mornings, but left the
inherited forecast otherwise intact.

Strong cold air advection and overrunning conditions will develop
on Thursday. High temperatures Thursday will not increase much,
if any, from morning lows, meaning daily high temps will occur
Wednesday night. Current thinking is robust rain chances (albeit
modest QPF amounts) will develop in the wake of the front on
Thursday and will continue into Friday and Saturday. High
temperatures on Thursday will be in the 40s north to the 50s
southeast with the lower RGV hanging on to the highest temps in
the upper 50s to near 60 before being completely overtaken by
colder air. Thursday night low temperatures will dip into the 30s
across the board, with "feels like" temps down in the 20s by early
morning. Freezing weather is forecast for the Ranchlands.

Though the lift with the initial surface surge mostly will be
over late on Thursday, upper divergence (lift) will come more into
focus over the Ranchlands Thursday night. Precip chances will
increase, including through an 850 to 700 mb layer that comes very
close to crossing completely into freezing territory. Thus, a
period of wintry mix including freezing rain could develop across
northern sections and confidence is now fair for a wee bit of
wintry precip Thursday night. A reasonable worst case scenario
suggests wintry precip and freezing temps possibly scooping
farther south, with correspondingly lesser confidence, into North
Starr, North Hidalgo, and Willacy Counties. QPF amounts appear
modest, however, a few hundreths to a couple of tenths of an inch,
but that doesn`t obscure the significance of the precip type.

Friday will be quite chilly and the coldest day of the week with
high temperatures across the area mainly in the 40s. Overrunning
light rain will still be a good bet. Rain chances/amounts will taper
off a bit by Friday night, however. Low temps will again be in the
30s Friday night with another light freeze possible.

Cooler weather and light rain chances will linger through the
weekend with a secondary high pressure surge showing up on Saturday,
but the in place air mass will start to slowly modify and the freeze
threat should be low for Saturday night. If an upstream shortwave
trough moves across North Mexico and South Texas Sunday into Monday,
coastal troughing and amplified rain chances would materialize early
next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2688 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:15 pm

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:I would pay the Weather Gods money to make the NAM happen, except move the bullseyes over SW Houston and SW Montgomery County.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/namconus/2022011818/namconus_asnow_scus_25.png


Huh, something about a saying thunder in Winter, snow is coming.

They had tornadoes just last week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2689 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:15 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
Haris wrote:WXman57 wont like thaat NAM.

Big event in SCTX if it and hrrr verifies


I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the NAM and HRRR. They certainly look reasonable if we see a stronger disturbance moving across Mexico. Cold temperatures won't be the problem...moisture looks to be the limiting factor right now.


I think that cold temperatures (Houston) will be the main problem. I believe that the NAM is too cold with its temperature forecast (at least I hope so). The air up north really isn't that cold. Only single digits in northern Montana.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2690 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:24 pm

wxman57 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the NAM and HRRR. They certainly look reasonable if we see a stronger disturbance moving across Mexico. Cold temperatures won't be the problem...moisture looks to be the limiting factor right now.


I think that cold temperatures (Houston) will be the main problem. I believe that the NAM is too cold with its temperature forecast (at least I hope so). The air up north really isn't that cold. Only single digits in northern Montana.


:yesno:
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2691 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:28 pm

Just a caution that Tropical Tidbits tends to go nuts with snow etc.

This is Pivotal. Night and day....much less close to the coast. It does snow lots of freezing rain though.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2692 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:29 pm

ThunderSleetDreams wrote:I would pay the Weather Gods money to make the NAM happen, except move the bullseyes over SW Houston and SW Montgomery County.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/namconus/2022011818/namconus_asnow_scus_25.png


Lmao 10 inches. Good one NAM
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2693 Postby Haris » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:32 pm

wxman57 wrote:
South Texas Storms wrote:
wxman57 wrote:
I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the NAM and HRRR. They certainly look reasonable if we see a stronger disturbance moving across Mexico. Cold temperatures won't be the problem...moisture looks to be the limiting factor right now.


I think that cold temperatures (Houston) will be the main problem. I believe that the NAM is too cold with its temperature forecast (at least I hope so). The air up north really isn't that cold. Only single digits in northern Montana.



Oh good.. We wont have that issue in Austin :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2694 Postby PTrackerLA » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:32 pm

18z NAM Ice Accumulations... :eek:

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2695 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:33 pm

Brent wrote:
ThunderSleetDreams wrote:I would pay the Weather Gods money to make the NAM happen, except move the bullseyes over SW Houston and SW Montgomery County.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/namconus/2022011818/namconus_asnow_scus_25.png


Lmao 10 inches. Good one NAM

Most of the 'Snowfall' is from Sleet/Ice, if that radar verified, there would be a Sleet Storm or Ice Storm across the Texas Coast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2696 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:36 pm

wxman57 wrote:
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wxman57 wrote:
I don't buy the NAM solution at all. I'm expecting cold rain with the chance of a quickly melting sleet pellet.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the NAM and HRRR. They certainly look reasonable if we see a stronger disturbance moving across Mexico. Cold temperatures won't be the problem...moisture looks to be the limiting factor right now.


I think that cold temperatures (Houston) will be the main problem. I believe that the NAM is too cold with its temperature forecast (at least I hope so). The air up north really isn't that cold. Only single digits in northern Montana.


I don't know sir. GFS had mid 30s, Icon lower 30s, while NAM is 30-32 so pretty close temps. 850mb <0c temps are lined up in the northern sections of SE Texas and S-Central Texas so not too bad, could support.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2697 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:36 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:Just a caution that Tropical Tidbits tends to go nuts with snow etc.

This is Pivotal. Night and day....much less close to the coast. It does snow lots of freezing rain though.

https://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/nam/2022011818/072/sn10_acc.us_sc.png

Yeah the difference being everything south of there is ice accumulation. Tropicaltidbits doesn’t have the setting to decipher these, but pivotal does
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2698 Postby jaguars_22 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:39 pm

Here in Victoria west I think temps will support frozen precip. Do the soundings show a chance for snow here?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2699 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:41 pm

NWS Houston is saying that there is a slight chance of light Wintry Mix Thursday Night, mostly north of I-10 for now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2700 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:45 pm

Iceresistance wrote:NWS Houston is saying that there is a slight chance of light Wintry Mix Thursday Night, mostly north of I-10 for now.


Step by step. Confidence is rising
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