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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2961 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:45 am

Crazy differences showing up on the longer term GEFS vs. Euro ENS....don't think I've ever seen this big of a discrepancy on a ENS Mean for a week 2 forecast :double:

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2962 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:46 am

MJO is now expected to reemerge at Phase 4 in February.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2963 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:52 am

orangeblood wrote:Crazy differences showing up on the longer term GEFS vs. Euro ENS....don't think I've ever seen this big of a discrepancy on a ENS Mean for a week 2 forecast :double:

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/namer/t850_anom_7day/1643068800/1644364800-mPOWBfyOxaU.png
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Euro looks a bit Nino-ish
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2964 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:53 am

Brent wrote:End of the Euro has a near blizzard in OK/KS and NW TX over a foot in western Oklahoma

https://i.ibb.co/2n8Xk1m/sn10-acc-us-c-4.png


Comparing the 00Z run to yesterday's 12Z EC, the previous run had only a weak low in SE Nebraska at the same time. Similar with the 00Z Monday run. The key will be the trend this week. GFS has that same low in northern Minnesota. Canadian has it in eastern Nebraska. Not a lot of agreement. Can I have my 70s and 80s back in Houston if there won't be any snow?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2965 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:18 am

wxman57 wrote:
Brent wrote:End of the Euro has a near blizzard in OK/KS and NW TX over a foot in western Oklahoma

https://i.ibb.co/2n8Xk1m/sn10-acc-us-c-4.png


Comparing the 00Z run to yesterday's 12Z EC, the previous run had only a weak low in SE Nebraska at the same time. Similar with the 00Z Monday run. The key will be the trend this week. GFS has that same low in northern Minnesota. Canadian has it in eastern Nebraska. Not a lot of agreement. Can I have my 70s and 80s back in Houston if there won't be any snow?


Nah, we will concede August, but that's it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2966 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:21 am

orangeblood wrote:Crazy differences showing up on the longer term GEFS vs. Euro ENS....don't think I've ever seen this big of a discrepancy on a ENS Mean for a week 2 forecast :double:

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/namer/t850_anom_7day/1643068800/1644364800-mPOWBfyOxaU.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-ensemble-all-avg/namer/t850_anom_7day/1643090400/1644408000-fzZ0DUVrz7Q.png


Both treat ridging in the Pacific different. Suspect that the MJO with split convection (lingering IDL flare won't go anyway soon now that nino 4 has warmed) causing confusion.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2967 Postby WinterMax » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:23 am

wxman57 wrote:
Brent wrote:End of the Euro has a near blizzard in OK/KS and NW TX over a foot in western Oklahoma

https://i.ibb.co/2n8Xk1m/sn10-acc-us-c-4.png


Comparing the 00Z run to yesterday's 12Z EC, the previous run had only a weak low in SE Nebraska at the same time. Similar with the 00Z Monday run. The key will be the trend this week. GFS has that same low in northern Minnesota. Canadian has it in eastern Nebraska. Not a lot of agreement. Can I have my 70s and 80s back in Houston if there won't be any snow?




I'm so on board with this, too much inactivity for me with all of this cold soupy weather. It's 45 here in south Louisiana and a mist falling. Wind chill might be low 40s but feels like low 30s to my old bones.

Between now and Sunday only Thursday night will not have a freeze. If it won't snow I vote for 70 and sunny.

I'm ready for wxman57 kind of weather here
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2968 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:34 am

Ntxw wrote:
orangeblood wrote:Crazy differences showing up on the longer term GEFS vs. Euro ENS....don't think I've ever seen this big of a discrepancy on a ENS Mean for a week 2 forecast :double:

https://images.weatherbell.com/model/ecmwf-ensemble-avg/namer/t850_anom_7day/1643068800/1644364800-mPOWBfyOxaU.png
https://images.weatherbell.com/model/gfs-ensemble-all-avg/namer/t850_anom_7day/1643090400/1644408000-fzZ0DUVrz7Q.png


Both treat ridging in the Pacific different. Suspect that the MJO with split convection (lingering IDL flare won't go anyway soon now that nino 4 has warmed) causing confusion.


Yep, EPO differences look like the main culprit. Something looks off with the Euro ENS...with such a massive negative anomaly near the Dateline, you'd think we'd see a bigger ridge across Alaska with more negative anomalies across Central US. If GEFS is right, semblance of Feb 2021 just missing Negative AO

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2969 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:12 am

Different region but i just saw the 0z Euro..... I'm sure the weather mets are losing it with that Nor'Easter on the east coast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2970 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:17 am

End of the 0z Euro looks like a McFarland sig, does it not?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2971 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:11 pm

KWTV-News 9 has 1-2 inches of snow for Central Oklahoma, more likely in Snow Bands.

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(Ignore some of the snowfall locations, it can be very finicky)
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2972 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Large storm system showing up in the medium range. Fits the cycle of troughs handing off in transition period.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2973 Postby Cerlin » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:46 pm

It appears some decent radar returns are happening northwest of Tulsa right now. Maybe going to get some flakes up there Brent? Of course, assuming it doesn’t dissipate like snow seems to do before they enter a metro area.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2974 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:50 pm

Ntxw wrote:Large storm system showing up in the medium range. Fits the cycle of troughs handing off in transition period.


Yeah definitely getting consistent. Heavy snow in Kansas on the Euro but still just to see a storm :lol: the GFS even showed it to a point. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to a big rain event at this rate
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2975 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:57 pm

Brent wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Large storm system showing up in the medium range. Fits the cycle of troughs handing off in transition period.


Yeah definitely getting consistent. Heavy snow in Kansas on the Euro but still just to see a storm :lol: the GFS even showed it to a point. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to a big rain event at this rate


It's on all the guidance to varying degrees. Let's hope it doesn't trend weaker as it gets closer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2976 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:04 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Large storm system showing up in the medium range. Fits the cycle of troughs handing off in transition period.


Yeah definitely getting consistent. Heavy snow in Kansas on the Euro but still just to see a storm :lol: the GFS even showed it to a point. I definitely wouldn't be opposed to a big rain event at this rate


It's on all the guidance to varying degrees. Let's hope it doesn't trend weaker as it gets closer.


There is a very big snowband near Dodge City, KS, Snowfall rates are close to 2 inches per hour.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2977 Postby Brent » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:05 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2978 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:12 pm


I normally hate when people say this, but because it suits my interests in this particular moment:

ALL HAIL KING EURO

Once it stops showing something I like though I’ll be back to my regularly scheduled program :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2979 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:13 pm

At the end of the Euro I’ve noticed in the last two runs that it seems to be hanging some energy back west..maybe another round?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#2980 Postby Texas Snowman » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:18 pm



Y’all know better than to trust a model when it shows snow and cold. They are only reliable when they show shorts and shirt sleeve bike riding weather! :lol:

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