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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3361 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:22 pm

Texas Snow wrote:
Brent wrote:Tulsa doesn't seem overly excited right now but it is 5 days out

While this isn`t a classic heavy snow/ice setup, there
should at least be a long enough duration of precip in the cold
air to result in some accumulating ice and snow. Data continues to
point toward an advisory level event, but as mentioned earlier, a
lot can change between now and Wednesday. So stay tuned.

Norman on the other hand seems more concerned

Confidence is starting to
increase a bit with regards to winter weather impacts, perhaps
along and north of I-44, but obviously still too early to
determine how significant. If trends continue with a digging and
deeper trough to our west by Tue, expect impacts to increase area
wide.



FWD isn't as impressed with the current model trends as we are:

The next feature to watch will be a strong cold front and the low
chance for wintry precip arriving midweek. A longwave trough will
sweep through the CONUS, spilling much colder Arctic temperatures
into a large area of the U.S. behind it. The strong cold front is
progged to arrive to North & Central Texas on Wednesday, with
rain possible out ahead of the front. Along and behind the front,
there`s a low probability (20 to 30%) that precip in the form of a
rain/snow mix sets up, that will then completely transition to snow
in areas generally north of I-20 and west of I-35.

The key takeaways for next week`s systems are that precipitation
chances right now are low, and additionally, the overall synoptic
set-up isn`t very favorable for wintry precip with impactful
accumulations due to the progressiveness of the upper trough.
However, if ensembles trend towards an upper level trough that 1)
slows and digs or 2) is able to detach further south than what the
models are currently showing, concerns will begin to increase for
the potential for winter precipitation and resulting impacts
across the forecast area. There`s a low signal (less than 20%)
this will occur, but it bears watching as additional model runs
become available. As always with these systems, please be aware of
your forecast sources and use common sense before sharing
information.


They're probably waiting on the Euro and Canadian OP to flip. ENs says look for a flip to happen.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3362 Postby orangeblood » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:23 pm

Thundersleet!!!!!

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3363 Postby Captmorg70 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:24 pm

I know it’s still a ways out and plenty of time to change. So hopefully the warm nose is being overestimated. Sleet at 20F would be a mess and also a shame to not get more snow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3364 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:24 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3365 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:26 pm

The trend has been colder. If not for what happened last Feb, this would be making pages here. Crazy to go 20+ years without single digits and do it back to back winters if it happened.

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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3366 Postby Texas Snow » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:35 pm

That TT Snow Map will probably makes its way to social media making it look like a foot of snow in DFW. 1) it's an extreme scenario 2) it's mostly sleet not snow

It is pretty though.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3367 Postby Brent » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:38 pm

Suddenly the icon doesn't seem like such an outlier :lol: it's been on this Texas ice storm for several runs while the GFS and Euro have been what storm
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3368 Postby harp » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:41 pm

The 18z gfs has more moisture for south Louisiana after fropa. I’m liking the trend!!!
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3369 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:42 pm

Even my house gets in on the Sleet accumulations.

Lets nail it home. Daddy wants to drink bourbon on the back porch while it sleets.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3370 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:45 pm



How much further S can it dig? Hoping for more southerly and less progressive trends.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3371 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:47 pm

Cpv17 wrote:


How much further S can it dig? Hoping for more southerly and less progressive trends.


Probably won't know that until Tuesday, but I've seen these systems "overperform" to the South, and the next thing you know, DFW gets a little bit and Austin/Waco/CS and Northern HGX get slammed.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3372 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:49 pm

Captmorg70 wrote:I know it’s still a ways out and plenty of time to change. So hopefully the warm nose is being overestimated. Sleet at 20F would be a mess and also a shame to not get more snow.


The Soundings on the GFS are showing a very well defined Warm Nose, there is sleet even in the Teens.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3373 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:53 pm

18z ICON has a Strong Southern Trough, but the run ended just as it was going to start producing Winter Mayhem for Oklahoma & Texas, maybe we can see it better Tomorrow?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3374 Postby IcyTundra » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:55 pm

Iceresistance wrote:18z ICON has a Strong Southern Trough, but the run ended just as it was going to start producing Winter Mayhem for Oklahoma & Texas, maybe we can see it better Tomorrow?


0Z and 12Z ICON go out to 180 hours.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3375 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:56 pm

IcyTundra wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:18z ICON has a Strong Southern Trough, but the run ended just as it was going to start producing Winter Mayhem for Oklahoma & Texas, maybe we can see it better Tomorrow?


0Z and 12Z ICON go out to 180 hours.


Was generally taking about 6z & 18z runs as well, they go as far out as only 120 hours (5 days)
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3376 Postby Texas Snowman » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:08 pm

@RyanMaue — Just wondering if anyone is getting concerned about a weather situation next week in Texas?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3377 Postby rwfromkansas » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:13 pm

I hope the warm nose isn’t as strong as that. I like a little sleet. It cools the ground fast, provides a nice blanket for snow so everything is white etc. But, I don’t want just sleet! It is exciting to have something to watch either way as I am jealous of MA folks this weekend.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3378 Postby Ntxw » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:17 pm

wxman57 wrote:
txtwister78 wrote:GFS may be an outlier in the long range, but it was definitely the first I do believe to see the potential for a cold outbreak next wk. That alone of course doesn't make it right, but in my opinion the Euro has never really been a model that can "see" colder air in the long term anyway. Just seems like we're back to the "is it wise to go beyond a 5 to 7-day window" for predicting what any given model will do when it's clear we are seeing what a few days can do to the pattern (next wk potential). So, on that front, I just think you take these one at a time rather than trying to decipher patterns/models more than 7 days out. My .02


Since the GFS is the only model that looks beyond 10 days, it's the only model that could see something beyond 10 days. Canadian and Euro are warmer for next week's cold, at least in SE TX. The Canadian doesn't even have a freeze for Houston next Friday (it has 29 Saturday, EC has 34 Saturday). Euro is at 32-33 degrees for Friday's low. GFS is upper 20s. Yes, it is best to wait until maybe next Tuesday or Wednesday to be more confident in Friday's temps. Believing the current coldest, snowiest model is not a good idea. However, I will believe any model that forecasts highs in the 80s.


Your cold dome to back up the 1st one is still on the 18zGFS. As far as 80s no model has that currently.
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3379 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:18 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:I hope the warm nose isn’t as strong as that. I like a little sleet. It cools the ground fast, provides a nice blanket for snow so everything is white etc. But, I don’t want just sleet! It is exciting to have something to watch either way as I am jealous of MA folks this weekend.

I'll happily take it over freezing rain, but I agree. Considering how the models tend to underestimate the southward progression of cold air, I wonder if that may mean the warm nose is being a little overexaggerated. It's hard to imagine pure sleet at 18 degrees but its possible. Maybe it'll be closer to a mix of sleet and snow in that situation?
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Re: Texas Winter 2021-2022

#3380 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:22 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:@RyanMaue — Just wondering if anyone is getting concerned about a weather situation next week in Texas?


Concerned? Naw.

Cautiously optimistic and ecstatic? Absolutely
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