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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#321 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:54 am

Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:This might be the start of the big OOF!

https://s9.gifyu.com/images/gfs_mslp_pcpn_frzn_scus_45.png
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EDIT: Nevermind, it may be the one behind this system!


It's really only the first run that shows the potential. -EPO -> -AO and -NAO locking it down.

Yes, the temperature anomalies are really showing this potential! I'll try to post pictures later on this once all of the regions have the 12z GFS run completed, what a run that is!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#322 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:56 am

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#323 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:02 pm

12z GFS, the 500mb projections looks a lot like a December version of Feb 2021. Not comparing just saying the players are doing similar things. The CFSv2 has been trying to paint this period in a similar fashion. Get all 3 teleconnections to align and the dam breaks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#324 Postby bubba hotep » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:15 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Probably need to wait until beyond Dec 10 or maybe even mid-month before things really get interesting for the Southern Plains.


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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#325 Postby snowballzzz » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:16 pm

Wowzers. The 12Z GFS is really showing that cold Christmas week. Obviously way out and in lala land but if that were to verify.... :cold:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#326 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:19 pm

snowballzzz wrote:Wowzers. The 12Z GFS is really showing that cold Christmas week. Obviously way out and in lala land but if that were to verify.... :cold:


Fantasy range but that's one helluva arctic outbreak. All starts with that big storm next week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#327 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:20 pm

WOW! :double: :cold: :froze:

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Snowfall potential (Of course there is a DFW Dry Slot!)
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Ice totals (The one in Oklahoma is from an earlier system)
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#328 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:20 pm

The 12z GFS ends the run with a storm that could bring a White Christmas, because why not! :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#329 Postby Texas Snowman » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:27 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#330 Postby snowballzzz » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:28 pm

Will Texas finally have a below normal Christmas for the first time in who knows how long? I'm feeling pretty confident that the latter half of the month will be chilly. Now to watch the models flip flop for the next two weeks!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#331 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:31 pm

Also while all this is happening the Strat PV is getting attacked, warming. It's already in a very weakened state so probably safe bet to say overall we will likely see a -AO winter, with brief rebounds to lesser values.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#332 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:38 pm

-EPO.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#333 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:54 pm

Ntxw wrote:12z GFS, the 500mb projections looks a lot like a December version of Feb 2021. Not comparing just saying the players are doing similar things. The CFSv2 has been trying to paint this period in a similar fashion. Get all 3 teleconnections to align and the dam breaks.


Youre right. 9-10 days out, the pattern looks very similar. Blocking over the top with a PV below. The GFS will not have a full grasp on things but it looks very similar. Basically the ensemble you posted is what we are looking for.

Its off in la la land, but the blocking post 10 days in the arctic is wild.

Were getting closer to some clarity. Not there yet, but getting much closer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#334 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:01 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:
Ntxw wrote:12z GFS, the 500mb projections looks a lot like a December version of Feb 2021. Not comparing just saying the players are doing similar things. The CFSv2 has been trying to paint this period in a similar fashion. Get all 3 teleconnections to align and the dam breaks.


Youre right. 9-10 days out, the pattern looks very similar. Blocking over the top with a PV below. The GFS will not have a full grasp on things but it looks very similar. Basically the ensemble you posted is what we are looking for.

Its off in la la land, but the blocking post 10 days in the arctic is wild.

Were getting closer to some clarity. Not there yet, but getting much closer.


Yeah not really concerned about model maps of OPs one way or the other. We know from pattern recognition what to look for. It isn't that the models are flipping, it's been trending more favorable ~12-15th period of the change as it nears. The OPs will follow.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#335 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:23 pm

I am 100% confident that the long-range GFS will verify - somewhere. Give it a few days and the GFS will be predicting 80s across Texas around the 21st. I don't think the latest iteration of the GFS takes my wall into consideration.

Historically, though, the week of Christmas is famous for major Arctic outbreaks (1983, 1989, 2004 snow miracle).
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#336 Postby gpsnowman » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:31 pm

wxman57 wrote:I am 100% confident that the long-range GFS will verify - somewhere. Give it a few days and the GFS will be predicting 80s across Texas around the 21st. I don't think the latest iteration of the GFS takes my wall into consideration.

Historically, though, the week of Christmas is famous for major Arctic outbreaks (1983, 1989, 2004 snow miracle).

Also the Christmas Eve snow event in 2009. I will always remember putting together my daughter's kitchen set while looking out at blizzard like conditions. Just beautiful.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#337 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:33 pm

00Z Euro has a very different 500mb pattern across North America at 00Z Dec. 17th than the GFS. The EC would tend to send the cold SE rather than S. New GFS has done worse than the previous GFS as far as 500mb forecast (Ryan Maue tweet). I foresee big changes coming in the long-range GFS forecast.

Check the GFS:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=namer&pkg=z500_vort&runtime=2022120712&fh=228

Compare to EC:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=namer&pkg=z500_vort&runtime=2022120700&fh=240

EC has very little cold air in western Canada by the 17th. Quite different from the GFS.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#338 Postby Ntxw » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:43 pm

wxman57 wrote:00Z Euro has a very different 500mb pattern across North America at 00Z Dec. 17th than the GFS. The EC would tend to send the cold SE rather than S. New GFS has done worse than the previous GFS as far as 500mb forecast (Ryan Maue tweet). I foresee big changes coming in the long-range GFS forecast.

Check the GFS:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=namer&pkg=z500_vort&runtime=2022120712&fh=228

Compare to EC:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gfs&region=namer&pkg=z500_vort&runtime=2022120700&fh=240

EC has very little cold air in western Canada by the 17th. Quite different from the GFS.


Appreciate your thoughts! I don't think the EC will be correct either, the PNA isn't positive or forecasted to be that positive. If anything the SE and the East coast will be at greater risk of glancing blow than the interior and west. The EPS even at 0z develops a trof over the west vs the OP guidance, so disconnect there.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#339 Postby HockeyTx82 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:44 pm



That's quite some colorful maps you've posted. I'd be curious what professional mets have to say about stuff like that this far out.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#340 Postby wxman57 » Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:47 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:


That's quite some colorful maps you've posted. I'd be curious what professional mets have to say about stuff like that this far out.


GFS fantasy for now. I believe it as much as I believed its forecast of Hurricane Ian to strike Lake Charles.
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