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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5541 Postby DallasAg » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:14 am

Radar returns from SJT starting to light up around the Big Bend. Moving NE.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5542 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:19 am

It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5543 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:19 am

DallasAg wrote:Radar returns from SJT starting to light up around the Big Bend. Moving NE.

Makes you wonder if the lull in activity will be short lived judging by the position of the moisture stream. Looks like Abilene is back in the mix currently.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5544 Postby Edwards Limestone » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:23 am

Looks like NAM was probably right...most of the moisture appears to be setting up north of us down here. Good luck DFW guys!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5545 Postby DFW Stormwatcher » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:27 am

15 minute commute from Keller to my office at 820 and 35 in Fort Worth this morning took 30 minutes. Very slick out there, Beach st is a major artery in Fort Worth and it was pretty much an ice rink with a little sleet traction. I could’ve worked from home but what’s the fun in that when icy road challenges await! Probably won’t be an option tomorrow with freezing rain instead of sleet :lol: :froze:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5546 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:34 am

rwfromkansas wrote:It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?


Not 100% sure on this, still learning this stuff. We're under an extreme case of temperature inversion. The lid of warm hair has trapped the cold air. Temperature normally cools with height (cold to colder). As the ULL cools the upper layers that lid is slowly removed and the cold air near the surface can rise and revert back to normal. Rising air warms, thus shrinking our bottom cold layer.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5547 Postby TropicalTundra » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:36 am

Seeing videos of people seeing snowflakes just NW of me..only getting frz rain here. Gatesville and brownwood getting fat flakes im assuming. Im jealous
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5548 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:37 am

rwfromkansas wrote:It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?


Somewhat counter intuitive but the Temp Inversion dissipates as the ULL gets closer, allowing the dense/shallow cold at surface to mix/lift
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5549 Postby orangeblood » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:38 am

Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?


Not 100% sure on this, still learning this stuff. We're under an extreme case of temperature inversion. The lid of warm hair has trapped the cold air. Temperature normally cools with height (cold to colder). As the ULL cools the upper layers that lid is slowly removed and the cold air near the surface can rise and revert back to normal. Rising air warms, thus shrinking our bottom cold layer.


Ha Ntxw beat me to it!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5550 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:40 am

I got the mail this morning, I also checked the road and there is a layer of Ice under the sleet.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5551 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:40 am

Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?


Not 100% sure on this, still learning this stuff. We're under an extreme case of temperature inversion. The lid of warm hair has trapped the cold air. Temperature normally cools with height (cold to colder). As the ULL cools the upper layers that lid is slowly removed and the cold air near the surface can rise and revert back to normal. Rising air warms, thus shrinking our bottom cold layer.

Its gonna be a very interesting situation. I think if if comes across strong then it will be able to generate enough cold from above to counteract the loss of surface cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5552 Postby EnnisTx » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:43 am

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:It’s still odd to me that as the ULL brings deeper cold it warms up and becomes ZR or rain. That’s not what usually happens. Usually it becomes snow.

Is the rain supposed to be so heavy it basically drags down warm air?


Not 100% sure on this, still learning this stuff. We're under an extreme case of temperature inversion. The lid of warm hair has trapped the cold air. Temperature normally cools with height (cold to colder). As the ULL cools the upper layers that lid is slowly removed and the cold air near the surface can rise and revert back to normal. Rising air warms, thus shrinking our bottom cold layer.

Its gonna be a very interesting situation. I think if if comes across strong then it will be able to generate enough cold from above to counteract the loss of surface cold.


Agreed, I’m thinking we get a dose of snow on it’s way out.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5553 Postby harp » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:46 am

I always thought ULLs created their own cold atmosphere
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5554 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:46 am

Windy light snow flurry right now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5555 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:47 am

That makes sense. If there’s no cold left then I could see it happening. Will see.

Looks like some light returns from azle SW.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5556 Postby Ralph's Weather » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:55 am

Water vapor imagery shows the upper low sitting over SoCal pumping in a constant stream of moisture directly out of the EPAC ITCZ. We will stay wet with little to no break until the upper low ejects over us later this week.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5557 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:24 pm

Keller closed tomorrow again. No shock. Thursday is iffy if it gets warmer but I can’t imagine opening until Friday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5558 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:27 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:Keller closed tomorrow again. No shock. Thursday is iffy if it gets warmer but I can’t imagine opening until Friday.


It will still look bad Thursday morning even if it warms up during the day. The eyeball test.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5559 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:30 pm

Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:Keller closed tomorrow again. No shock. Thursday is iffy if it gets warmer but I can’t imagine opening until Friday.


It will still look bad Thursday morning even if it warms up during the day. The eyeball test.


Yeah the morning will still be very slick which is why I’m betting Friday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#5560 Postby Ntxw » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:32 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:Keller closed tomorrow again. No shock. Thursday is iffy if it gets warmer but I can’t imagine opening until Friday.


It will still look bad Thursday morning even if it warms up during the day. The eyeball test.


Yeah the morning will still be very slick which is why I’m betting Friday.


Outside chance it may even look bad Friday morning. Warm up is mid to upper 30s if being optimistic. Sleet and crust of ice over it is tough to melt quickly.
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