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Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 11:24 am
by Edwards Limestone
Sleeper potential here. Models aren't on board, but what's new in the tropics.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:53 pm
by rwfromkansas
HockeyTx82 wrote:Iceresistance wrote:DFW is now expecting 5-8 inches of rain per WPC, this would be a flooding disaster.
That's a pretty bold statement. I would think localized flooding will occur. Disaster level, seems like a stretch.
Disaster isn't happening unless it's a foot or more. Just been too dry.
Just some minor issues with 5-8.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:55 pm
by bubba hotep
I mean, come on, Euro
ETA: It looks like the Euro might overdoing the low associated with the disturbance coming out of the BOC. It drifts up towards the Panhandle and then seems to strengthen and organize it as it drops back south. I'm not sure the upper level dynamics are present to produce that kind of low level response over land. We'll have to wait and see lol
![Image](https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/ecmwf_full/2022081812/222/qpf_acc.us_sc.png)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:14 pm
by TropicalTundra
bubba hotep wrote:I mean, come on, Euro
ETA: It looks like the Euro might overdoing the low associated with the disturbance coming out of the BOC. It drifts up towards the Panhandle and then seems to strengthen and organize it as it drops back south. I'm not sure the upper level dynamics are present to produce that kind of low level response over land. We'll have to wait and see lol
https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/ecmwf_full/2022081812/222/qpf_acc.us_sc.png
31 inches... scuba diving doesn't sound too bad lol
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:49 pm
by Brent
Yeah I'm intrigued by the Gulf potential. Seems like a sure bet it would make an attempt at being named at least
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:32 pm
by cycloneye
Follow the details about
Invest 99L to see if south Texas will have effects from it.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:27 pm
by Edwards Limestone
This outflow boundary ruined everything down here. Too much dry air. It's like groundhog day.
I'm personally rooting for the tropical system if for nothing else to help eat away at the cockroach ridge, moisten up the mid levels, and (hopefully) do anything else to change this endless pattern of precip disappointment after disappointment.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:41 pm
by Clearcloudz
bubba hotep wrote:I mean, come on, Euro
ETA: It looks like the Euro might overdoing the low associated with the disturbance coming out of the BOC. It drifts up towards the Panhandle and then seems to strengthen and organize it as it drops back south. I'm not sure the upper level dynamics are present to produce that kind of low level response over land. We'll have to wait and see lol
https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/ecmwf_full/2022081812/222/qpf_acc.us_sc.png
It's been very consistent in showing this the past few runs.
The control on the Euro is even more aggressive which is interesting to me. However take it with a grain of salt until other models show this as well.
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/N7rbPwu.png)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:29 pm
by Clearcloudz
Clearcloudz wrote:bubba hotep wrote:I mean, come on, Euro
ETA: It looks like the Euro might overdoing the low associated with the disturbance coming out of the BOC. It drifts up towards the Panhandle and then seems to strengthen and organize it as it drops back south. I'm not sure the upper level dynamics are present to produce that kind of low level response over land. We'll have to wait and see lol
https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/ecmwf_full/2022081812/222/qpf_acc.us_sc.png
It's been very consistent in showing this the past few runs.
The control on the Euro is even more aggressive which is interesting to me. However take it with a grain of salt until other models show this as well.
https://i.imgur.com/N7rbPwu.png
18Z ICON coming in similar to the 12Z EURO
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/PY9wJtE.png)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:32 pm
by weatherdude1108
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:45 pm
by bubba hotep
Clearcloudz wrote:Clearcloudz wrote:bubba hotep wrote:I mean, come on, Euro
ETA: It looks like the Euro might overdoing the low associated with the disturbance coming out of the BOC. It drifts up towards the Panhandle and then seems to strengthen and organize it as it drops back south. I'm not sure the upper level dynamics are present to produce that kind of low level response over land. We'll have to wait and see lol
https://m1o.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/ecmwf_full/2022081812/222/qpf_acc.us_sc.png
It's been very consistent in showing this the past few runs.
The control on the Euro is even more aggressive which is interesting to me. However take it with a grain of salt until other models show this as well.
https://i.imgur.com/N7rbPwu.png
18Z ICON coming in similar to the 12Z EURO
https://i.imgur.com/PY9wJtE.png
If we get a closed surface low drifting SE into a tropical moisture firehose then we will likely see some ridiculous rainfall totals. I'm just not sure that the dynamics are present to get 99L to look the best in its life cycle after it's been inland for several days. The GFS washes out 99L so there isn't a feature to really enhance rainfall like what the Euro and ICON are showing.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:48 pm
by bubba hotep
Here is the latest from WPC. The crazy thing, this would knock Dallas out of the Top 10 driest summers and push all-time August rainfall totals!
![Image](https://x-hv1.pivotalweather.com/maps/wpc/latest/wpc_qpf_168h_p.us_sc.png)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:58 am
by Clearcloudz
00Z ECMWF rainfall totals
![Idea :idea:](./images/smilies/icon_idea.gif)
EURO sticking with this idea that somewhere between Austin and Dallas there will be a 20 to 40 inch rain event.
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/ZGtkNXP.png)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:49 am
by cstrunk
Do I get to complain if I only get 4" of rain instead of 7"+ over the next week?
If this busts... Lord help us all.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:01 am
by rwfromkansas
I wonder when the WPC last had such widespread 5-inch totals over Texas?
As for the Euro, the moving totals do give pause since I’m on the western end of the extreme totals now and it drops quickly.
But, I think it’s a lock to get 3 inches, probably the most rain since last year IMBY.
It’s just a question of how much and where. But, it’s no longer a question if widespread heavy rain will happen over much of Texas.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:10 am
by bubba hotep
rwfromkansas wrote:I wonder when the WPC last had such widespread 5-inch totals over Texas?
As for the Euro, the moving totals do give pause since I’m on the western end of the extreme totals now and it drops quickly.
But, I think it’s a lock to get 3 inches, probably the most rain since last year IMBY.
It’s just a question of how much and where. But, it’s no longer a question if widespread heavy rain will happen over much of Texas.
That is a good question. This current forecast is double or triple the avg August rainfall for many areas
![rain :rain:](./images/smilies/rain.gif)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:40 am
by cheezyWXguy
Clearcloudz wrote:00Z ECMWF rainfall totals
![Idea :idea:](./images/smilies/icon_idea.gif)
EURO sticking with this idea that somewhere between Austin and Dallas there will be a 20 to 40 inch rain event.
https://i.imgur.com/ZGtkNXP.png
I know the euro tends to overdo convective feedback in situations like this, so what is a reasonable upper bound on this setup in terms of rainfall amounts? Dfw afd does mention convective feedback and near record pwats, which makes me think someone in Texas could get 12”+
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:46 am
by Ntxw
cheezyWXguy wrote:Clearcloudz wrote:00Z ECMWF rainfall totals
![Idea :idea:](./images/smilies/icon_idea.gif)
EURO sticking with this idea that somewhere between Austin and Dallas there will be a 20 to 40 inch rain event.
https://i.imgur.com/ZGtkNXP.png
I know the euro tends to overdo convective feedback in situations like this, so what is a reasonable upper bound on this setup in terms of rainfall amounts? Dfw afd does mention convective feedback and near record pwats, which makes me think someone in Texas could get 12”+
10-15" is a reasonable number I think. One missed item is the former 98L that traveled through S-Texas and Mexico, its remnants and possible vorticity is still rounding the former ridge. If there is a discernible meso-center with that feature we definitely could see a rain bomb if it slowly tracks the frontal boundary, that's when the wild numbers could be in play.
![Image](https://i.imgur.com/b1QRur8.gif)
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:50 am
by Edwards Limestone
I don't think the Euro is necessarily overdoing it with totals, but the the extreme widespread coverage seems off. As we saw yesterday, all it takes is one outflow boundary to cut off everything.
Re: Texas Summer 2022
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:56 am
by TropicalTundra
Had a light drizzle earlier for about 5 minutes and got 0.02”. Hopefully we can get more rain in the afternoon