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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#161 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:19 pm

Brent wrote:
weatherdude1108 wrote:
Brent wrote:68 degrees in the middle of the afternoon in June :double:

Also a huge flash flood warning to my east


I can't even fathom that pattern right now. :lol:


Yeah we literally don't need more rain. Had 9 inches in May alone and some places had more and it hasn't stopped yet. It's just amazing the contrast to down south. I wish we could spread the wealth but it looks like even up here we flip to hot and dry next week

I reached the 70s, but still MUCH colder than expected. I got .75 of an inch of rain for this morning’s complex madness. Even went tornado-warned near Chickasha.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#162 Postby Iceresistance » Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:41 pm

I’m really not liking the CPC forecasts, you can run almost anywhere in the CONUS, and STILL get the heat. :grr:
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#163 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:00 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Ensembles are in pretty good agreement that we will see a slug of tropical moisture left northwards out of the CAG towards Texas in the long range. Will that be an organized tropical system or just a bunch of rain?


It might get confined into Mexico or deep STX.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#164 Postby Ntxw » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:31 pm

Went through DFW's June forecasts, for the stretch we are about to go through there are a few years that match the potential duration 100+ this early would be 1953, 1980, 1998, and 2011. It's actually not that common to get such a late July/early August type ridge this early for us in June. Another common theme is they occur near the solstice of max solar intensity peaking just after. If the history provides a guide, next week will be hot, but the week after will likely start peaking. 30-45 day cycles would return such a ridge mid-July.

https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=fwd

It would be equivalent to a deep freeze in late December.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#165 Postby captainbarbossa19 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:35 am

Cpv17 wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:Ensembles are in pretty good agreement that we will see a slug of tropical moisture left northwards out of the CAG towards Texas in the long range. Will that be an organized tropical system or just a bunch of rain?


It might get confined into Mexico or deep STX.


Usually, ridges do not stay strong more than 2 weeks straight over one area, so there is a chance it could come further north past 10 days. However, something has to try to form first.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#166 Postby Brent » Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:02 am

Iceresistance wrote:I’m really not liking the CPC forecasts, you can run almost anywhere in the CONUS, and STILL get the heat. :grr:


People have been waiting for this weather here for weeks...I'm like why :roll: it's just disgusting and of course with all the rain the humidity is gonna be brutal
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Texas Summer 2022

#167 Postby jasons2k » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:45 am

From Jeff Lindner:

Mid and upper level ridge of high pressure will settle over Texas this weekend to produce a period of near record heat.

While it is always hot in SE TX in summer, the upcoming weekend will feature an early season heat wave. Mid and upper level high pressure will build over the southern plains through the weekend resulting in strong heating. Surface high pressure over the eastern Gulf of Mexico will produce a SW/SSW low level wind, which is a “hot” wind for us locally instead of the “cooler” S or SE wind flow more directly off the “cooler” Gulf of Mexico. High temperatures will increase into the low 100’s for most areas away from the coast on Friday and last through at least Sunday and possible into early next week. Low temperatures will struggle to fall much below 80 at night and remain in the low 80’s along the coast. With the SW winds in the low levels, afternoon humidity values will mix out some allowing heat index numbers of 100-107 over the region. We will be right up against the threshold of heat advisory levels for this region of 108, and it is likely an advisory will be needed for Friday into the weekend.

High pressure will build ENE early next week into the Mid MS valley and this may be just far enough NE to cut a few degrees off the afternoon highs by Tuesday onward. Still be subsidence in place over the area, rain chances will be below 10% for the next 5-7 days.

June heat is somewhat different than August heat in the aspect that our bodies are not fully acclimated to the heat stress in early June versus late August. Take the proper heat precautions (plenty of fluids and frequent breaks if working outside).

2022 vs. 2011:
While it is easy to compare heat and drought to other instances in the past, our current heat and drought is far from what this region and state went through in 2011. Rainfall has been much more plentiful this spring than in 2011, and while some of the temperatures may be similar to the intensity of the heat thus far this year is not to the level of 2011. There are some similar comparisons to drought and heat of the summers of 1998, 1988, and 1980.

Climate:
Galveston is being Galveston again with the warm overnight lows which have become as much of a recent fixture as the very warm nearshore waters. Galveston has failed to fall below 83 degrees for the last 72 hours and the low yesterday was only 84 degrees which is 1 degree shy of the all-time high record low of 85 from last summer. It is not just Galveston either, Palacios has failed to fall below 82 since June 5 until this morning for a low of 80.6. These types of lows are more typical of August than June and directly tied to the nearshore water temperature which is warmer in August than June. This year however, nearshore water temperatures are already 83-85 along the coast. Additionally, gusty winds late into the evening have helped to prevent much of a temperature fall during the overnight hours. So while the temperatures along the coast are in the low to mid 90’s during the afternoon, it is unpleasantly warm in the overnight periods.

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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#168 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:22 am

Oklahoma and far NE Texas gets one more round of MCS activity tonight into tomorrow morning. Lucky few in NTX might get clipped.

Record heat on the way. FWD AFD is noting possible excessive heat warnings late this weekend. Should limit outdoor activities if possible. No end in sight yet from the ensembles.


.LONG TERM... /Issued 345 AM CDT Thu Jun 9 2022/
/Friday Night through Wednesday/

Strong subtropical ridging will dominate the weather pattern
across North Texas and much of the Southern Plains over the
weekend and continuing into next week. The center of the ridge
axis will initially be off to our west on Saturday with a
prevailing northerly flow in the mid levels. It appears unlikely
that this will be of any significant consequence as a weak frontal
boundary near the Red River lifts northward and mid level heights
rise through the day. Afternoon mixing and an expanding low level
thermal ridge should send temperatures north of 100 degrees across
most of the region Saturday afternoon. Those who manage to stay
below 100 degrees in our east and northeast counties will be
plagued by sweltering humidity as dewpoints in the upper 60s and
low 70s pool near the frontal boundary. This will likely result in
heat indices between 105-110 degrees across a good chunk of the
region.

Sunday will be even hotter as the low level thermal ridge expands
and the upper ridge axis centers itself across the Arklatex. 850
mb temps will surge to near records vs. climatology during this
period and actual observed air temperatures will soar to between
103-108 degrees. We`re currently forecasting record highs of 103
at DFW and 106 at Waco for Sunday afternoon. While humidity will
be a tad less, the record heat will likely necessitate the
issuance of Excessive Heat Warnings for at least parts of North
Texas over the weekend.

The ridge axis will continue a little farther eastward early next
week which should shave a few degrees off of Sunday`s highs, but
both the NAEFS and EC ensemble suites indicate 500 mb heights
across the Southern Plains in the 99th percentile vs. climatology
which means continued above normal temperatures with little chance
of rainfall through Wednesday.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#169 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:43 pm

Interesting run of the 12Z starting on the Summer Solstice. Brings landfall over middle LA, then drifts west into Texas. That would be ideal!

But, it'll probably move to southern Mexico, or Florida, or go "POOOOOOOOF" when it hits the blast furnace, if it does anything, with our luck. :lol: Not funny, but all I can do is chuckle at this point when they're forecasting 106 here for Saturday and Sunday.smh

How do the wild animals cope? I know they do obviously, but man...

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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#170 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:52 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:Interesting run of the 12Z starting on the Summer Solstice. Brings landfall over middle LA, then drifts west into Texas. That would be ideal!

But, it'll probably move to southern Mexico, or Florida, or go "POOOOOOOOF" when it hits the blast furnace, if it does anything, with our luck. :lol: Not funny, but all I can do is chuckle at this point when they're forecasting 106 here for Saturday and Sunday.smh

How do the wild animals cope? I know they do obviously, but man...


The GFS systems to me have red flags as fantasy canes. Much like it was in May. CCKW over 60W is causing sensitivity in the model, almost always puts out these modelcanes when you have rising motion in the whem.

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However that doesn't mean it's totally incorrect, it could mean a slug of moisture can develop underneath ridges, as they usually do. However punching into a strong ridge such is expected is not likely. A Mexico or eventually east to Florida path is more likely given 1. Something actually forms, 2. it's real. A Texas path is viable if a Eastern Rockies/Central trof forms and ridging over the far SW and/or Southeast US.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#171 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:23 pm

Ntxw wrote:
weatherdude1108 wrote:Interesting run of the 12Z starting on the Summer Solstice. Brings landfall over middle LA, then drifts west into Texas. That would be ideal!

But, it'll probably move to southern Mexico, or Florida, or go "POOOOOOOOF" when it hits the blast furnace, if it does anything, with our luck. :lol: Not funny, but all I can do is chuckle at this point when they're forecasting 106 here for Saturday and Sunday.smh

How do the wild animals cope? I know they do obviously, but man...


The GFS systems to me have red flags as fantasy canes. Much like it was in May. CCKW over 60W is causing sensitivity in the model, almost always puts out these modelcanes when you have rising motion in the whem.

https://i.imgur.com/qthdhmq.png

However that doesn't mean it's totally incorrect, it could mean a slug of moisture can develop underneath ridges, as they usually do. However punching into a strong ridge such is expected is not likely. A Mexico or eventually east to Florida path is more likely given 1. Something actually forms, 2. it's real. A Texas path is viable if a Eastern Rockies/Central trof forms and ridging over the far SW and/or Southeast US.


I think people might be too quick to dismiss the GFS in this case based on the known GFS biases. At 168hr, the 12z GFS and Euro both show a broad area of vorticity over CA (I don't know if it qualifies as a CAG). The GFS is east based vs. the Euro which west based with a small system in the EPAC. Ridge evolution over the top will determine if anything can lift out of that into the WCAB/Gulf. So it might not be as easy as just dismissing it b/c the GFS is spin up happy. However, as we move deeper into the season I do believe the WCAB & Western Gulf will be hot spots this season.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#172 Postby cstrunk » Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:35 pm

I don't mean to break up fantasy-cane discussion, but I hope the models are wrong and tonight/tomorrow's MCS can develop a bit more southward. I mean, I doubt they are, but I hope. They're still showing anything basically evaporating as it crosses the Red River and the bulk of the activity staying north of Texas but clipping the same areas all the others seem to - Oklahoma over to Texarkana down to Shreveport and points east of there. Our only hope is that we can get additional development along the southern outflow boundary but that hasn't really been the case recently and I would bet on that trend holding.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#173 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jun 09, 2022 4:40 pm

cstrunk wrote:I don't mean to break up fantasy-cane discussion, but I hope the models are wrong and tonight/tomorrow's MCS can develop a bit more southward. I mean, I doubt they are, but I hope. They're still showing anything basically evaporating as it crosses the Red River and the bulk of the activity staying north of Texas but clipping the same areas all the others seem to - Oklahoma over to Texarkana down to Shreveport and points east of there. Our only hope is that we can get additional development along the southern outflow boundary but that hasn't really been the case recently and I would bet on that trend holding.


I've been trying to will that into existence with each model cycle :grrr:
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#174 Postby vbhoutex » Thu Jun 09, 2022 5:58 pm

At this point I am much more concerned about the continuing heat wave. Jeff Lindner's email from today is below.

Mid and upper level ridge of high pressure will settle over Texas this weekend to produce a period of near record heat.

While it is always hot in SE TX in summer, the upcoming weekend will feature an early season heat wave. Mid and upper level high pressure will build over the southern plains through the weekend resulting in strong heating. Surface high pressure over the eastern Gulf of Mexico will produce a SW/SSW low level wind, which is a “hot” wind for us locally instead of the “cooler” S or SE wind flow more directly off the “cooler” Gulf of Mexico. High temperatures will increase into the low 100’s for most areas away from the coast on Friday and last through at least Sunday and possible into early next week. Low temperatures will struggle to fall much below 80 at night and remain in the low 80’s along the coast. With the SW winds in the low levels, afternoon humidity values will mix out some allowing heat index numbers of 100-107 over the region. We will be right up against the threshold of heat advisory levels for this region of 108, and it is likely an advisory will be needed for Friday into the weekend.

High pressure will build ENE early next week into the Mid MS valley and this may be just far enough NE to cut a few degrees off the afternoon highs by Tuesday onward. Still be subsidence in place over the area, rain chances will be below 10% for the next 5-7 days.

June heat is somewhat different than August heat in the aspect that our bodies are not fully acclimated to the heat stress in early June versus late August. Take the proper heat precautions (plenty of fluids and frequent breaks if working outside).

2022 vs. 2011:

While it is easy to compare heat and drought to other instances in the past, our current heat and drought is far from what this region and state went through in 2011. Rainfall has been much more plentiful this spring than in 2011, and while some of the temperatures may be similar to the intensity of the heat thus far this year is not to the level of 2011. There are some similar comparisons to drought and heat of the summers of 1998, 1988, and 1980.

Climate:

Galveston is being Galveston again with the warm overnight lows which have become as much of a recent fixture as the very warm nearshore waters. Galveston has failed to fall below 83 degrees for the last 72 hours and the low yesterday was only 84 degrees which is 1 degree shy of the all-time high record low of 85 from last summer. It is not just Galveston either, Palacios has failed to fall below 82 since June 5 until this morning for a low of 80.6. These types of lows are more typical of August than June and directly tied to the nearshore water temperature which is warmer in August than June. This year however, nearshore water temperatures are already 83-85 along the coast. Additionally, gusty winds late into the evening have helped to prevent much of a temperature fall during the overnight hours. So while the temperatures along the coast are in the low to mid 90’s during the afternoon, it is unpleasantly warm in the overnight periods.

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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#175 Postby rwfromkansas » Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:50 pm

Um, I don’t want to go home, looks awful.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#176 Postby South Texas Storms » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:47 pm

Latest Euro Weeklies largely keep the ridge over our area for the next 45 days. So depressing. I'm thinking a 2011 redux this summer. Unless we can get lucky with a weak tropical system.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#177 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:55 pm

Nice MCS taking shape in the Panhandle and Amarillo in the path.

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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#178 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:06 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Latest Euro Weeklies largely keep the ridge over our area for the next 45 days. So depressing. I'm thinking a 2011 redux this summer. Unless we can get lucky with a weak tropical system.


It looks really bad for Central Texas but West Texas/New Mexico look to cash in on the monsoon and the Panhandle into N & E Texas look not too far off of avg. rainfall. Oklahoma continues to cash in lol
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#179 Postby Ntxw » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:20 pm

South Texas Storms wrote:Latest Euro Weeklies largely keep the ridge over our area for the next 45 days. So depressing. I'm thinking a 2011 redux this summer. Unless we can get lucky with a weak tropical system.


One of the crazy stats is that May 2011 DFW and OKC were very wet, almost 8" and 9" respectively. But then the faucet shut off and then it got hot and stayed so. The coming ridge is going to shut it all off for the southern plains. DFW airport with a good start with the localized event, may actually fall below normal again for another consecutive month.
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Re: Texas Summer 2022

#180 Postby bubba hotep » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:25 pm

HRRR, draw an outline of Texas with rainfall tonight lol

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