February 5-6: Super Tuesday Outbreak... 57 dead

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#741 Postby Squarethecircle » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:08 pm

:uarrow: That's what I was thinking.

Anyone want to make a guess if and then where it's most likely we had an EF-5?
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#742 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:09 pm

My guess for Christian County is EF4.
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#743 Postby RL3AO » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:12 pm

I think they are reluctant to upgrade to a F5 or EF5. I find it hard to believe that there has only been 1 EF5 in this country since May 3, 1999. Especially considering the outbreaks in 2003 and 2004.
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#744 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:16 pm

RL3AO wrote:I think they are reluctant to upgrade to a F5 or EF5. I find it hard to believe that there has only been 1 EF5 in this country since May 3, 1999. Especially considering the outbreaks in 2003 and 2004.


I agree unless there is undisputed and repeated damage of such, they tend to be conservative when it comes to violent tornadoes. Many possible low-end (E)F4 cases will go down as (E)F3 as well.

Unless undeniable (i.e. Greensburg), forecast offices generally will not rate tornadoes above EF3 until a Quick Response Team visits. I think they visited Rosalie, AL first yesterday to confirm the EF4, and Jackson I believe was done on their own merit so that might be revised up or down (although unlikely).
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#745 Postby Squarethecircle » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:17 pm

:uarrow: I've found that to be very fishy as well, especially since an EF-5 correlates to a strong F3/F4-5
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#746 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:26 pm

The most likely EF5 candidate IMO is the Arkansas tornado. I haven't seen enough to judge it, but it is could be EF5 based on description (although that may be an overestimate).

The Middle TN killer tornado seems like an EF3 based on pictures, but there may be stuff I have not seen.
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#747 Postby RL3AO » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:32 pm

This is interesting. Looking back, a good majority of the outbreaks over the past few years, 40-60% of all tornadoes would be (E)F0s in an outbreak. So far, only 4 of the 35 confirmed tornadoes is this outbreak are EF0s.
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#748 Postby Bunkertor » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:35 pm

Has anyone found tuesday tornadoes at youtube ?
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#749 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:35 pm

RL3AO wrote:This is interesting. Looking back, a good majority of the outbreaks over the past few years, 40-60% of all tornadoes would be (E)F0s in an outbreak. So far, only 4 of the 35 confirmed tornadoes is this outbreak are EF0s.


They probably haven't got to surveying them since they are so busy.

Another amazing number - 20 of the 35 confirmed tornadoes (about 57%) were strong or violent.
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#750 Postby JonathanBelles » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:50 pm

I would think they would do the more severe tornadoes first.
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#751 Postby Cyclenall » Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:59 pm

Bunkertor wrote:Has anyone found tuesday tornadoes at youtube ?

I found 3 good ones. I just type in tornado and then sort by the most recent added plus the most viewed this week to get the best ones.
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#752 Postby wbug1 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:33 pm

Very few tornadoes will now be rated EF-5 because the classification is now that the structure has to be some kind of mysterious "enhanced construction" of which barely any houses in the US or anywhere else in the world have. In addition, if a car is picked up and tossed over 200 meters, which would rate F5 on the old scale, would now not be classified as EF-5 under the new scale. Car damage is no longer a damage indicator. Even if a car engine block is ripped out of a car and embedded into a tree trunk a mile away, it doesn't matter (strictly folllowing the EF scale). In the new EF-scale, all damage indicators are based on damage to buildings.

The only other damage to rate EF5 is "trees debarked with only stubs of largest branches remaining".

http://www.wind.ttu.edu/EFScale.pdf
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#753 Postby RL3AO » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:36 pm

Moulton, Alabama tornado upgraded from EF3 to EF4
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#754 Postby simplykristi » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:38 pm

Squarethecircle wrote:Another EF-3 confirmed, 93 (reports) - 35 - 4 - 11 - 8 - 10 - 2 - 0.

Does it usually trickle slowly like this?


Lots of rural areas were hit. Any word on the tornado that hit Mountain View AR?

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#755 Postby Squarethecircle » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:51 pm

:uarrow: I agree, that's the one I want to see.
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Re: February 5-6: Super Tuesday Outbreak... 58 dead

#756 Postby wbug1 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:54 pm

I tried to find info from that area, but I couldn't find anything except a few short videos.
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#757 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:55 pm

Death toll revised from 58 to 56, cannot find information on two media reports.
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#758 Postby Squarethecircle » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:01 pm

:uarrow: Hehe, I can see that on the page's history :D .

Count is now 93-38-5-12-9-9-3-0.

Here's a link to all confirmed tornadoes - Click.
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#759 Postby Bunkertor » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:13 pm

Cyclenall wrote:
Bunkertor wrote:Has anyone found tuesday tornadoes at youtube ?

I found 3 good ones. I just type in tornado and then sort by the most recent added plus the most viewed this week to get the best ones.


Yes got them.

What about Paducah. Isn´t that region called the tri state ?
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#760 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:38 pm

Bunkertor wrote:
Cyclenall wrote:
Bunkertor wrote:Has anyone found tuesday tornadoes at youtube ?

I found 3 good ones. I just type in tornado and then sort by the most recent added plus the most viewed this week to get the best ones.


Yes got them.

What about Paducah. Isn´t that region called the tri state ?


It is the four-state or five-state region depending on who you ask.

BTW, 58 is once again the correct death toll - one of the two unconfirmed was confirmed, and a new one found :(
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