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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1361 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:31 pm

As much as we still need rain in Houston, I would prefer to have some sunshine and warmth mixed in! We haven't been above 61f in 2 weeks with a few days never getting out of the 40s.s. Seems about a month early. Every time I think it is going to warm up some my hopes are dashed as I read the different forecasts I follow.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1362 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:47 pm

I will be in Abilene so if it can go more south and east I have some hope of seeing some flakes.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1363 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:51 pm

The 12z GEFS is now showing a snowfall signal for my area on Black Friday! :D
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1364 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:04 pm

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1365 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:14 pm

My wife’s family used to have Thanksgiving in Lubbock. That’s ground zero looks like.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1366 Postby Ntxw » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:50 pm

Snow is heavily reliant on upper dynamics cooling the column, heavy wet snow at 3-4k feet between Lubbock and Amarillo. Also need that elevation. If only there was a little more cold to work with for the lower terrain.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1367 Postby bubba hotep » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:31 pm

DFW will likely bump above normal for yearly rainfall after this upcoming system. Crazy to think that drought talk was all the rage this summer. I wonder if we are seeing the impacts of the Tonga eruption in the global circulations? This was supposed to be a dry and warm Fall for N. Texas.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1368 Postby Ntxw » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:39 pm

EPS late in the run, holy blocks! GEFS too.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1369 Postby Ntxw » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:49 pm

bubba hotep wrote:DFW will likely bump above normal for yearly rainfall after this upcoming system. Crazy to think that drought talk was all the rage this summer. I wonder if we are seeing the impacts of the Tonga eruption in the global circulations? This was supposed to be a dry and warm Fall for N. Texas.


There has been some mixed signals between the Maritime Continent and South America. It's splitting the low freq signal from what would be normal La Nina configuration. One does have to wonder what Tonga did in the southern hemisphere.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1370 Postby gpsnowman » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:50 pm

bubba hotep wrote:DFW will likely bump above normal for yearly rainfall after this upcoming system. Crazy to think that drought talk was all the rage this summer. I wonder if we are seeing the impacts of the Tonga eruption in the global circulations? This was supposed to be a dry and warm Fall for N. Texas.

Amazing since we were still well below normal even after the 10 incher we had in August. Let's get our rain above normal then have a frigid, snowy December shall we?
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1371 Postby South Texas Storms » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:40 pm

bubba hotep wrote:DFW will likely bump above normal for yearly rainfall after this upcoming system. Crazy to think that drought talk was all the rage this summer. I wonder if we are seeing the impacts of the Tonga eruption in the global circulations? This was supposed to be a dry and warm Fall for N. Texas.


DFW would be well below normal like the rest of the state if you take out that flooding event a few months ago. The background state unfortunately still favors drier than normal weather across the Southern Plains due to the 3rd year Nina.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1372 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:34 pm

Ntxw wrote:EPS late in the run, holy blocks! GEFS too.


We have a -EPO, -NAO, -PNA, and -AO (even though the AO is a little more positive compared to the EPO and NAO). Could we have a nasty December with that setup?
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1373 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:09 pm

The GIF name in the link says it all! The full potential is just shy of the forecast! :double:

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1374 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:50 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Ntxw wrote:EPS late in the run, holy blocks! GEFS too.


We have a -EPO, -NAO, -PNA, and -AO (even though the AO is a little more positive compared to the EPO and NAO). Could we have a nasty December with that setup?


Don’t like the -PNA. Will promote a stubborn SE ridge that would likely extend into Texas depending how negative the PNA actually is.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1375 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:02 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
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Ntxw wrote:EPS late in the run, holy blocks! GEFS too.


We have a -EPO, -NAO, -PNA, and -AO (even though the AO is a little more positive compared to the EPO and NAO). Could we have a nasty December with that setup?


Don’t like the -PNA. Will promote a stubborn SE ridge that would likely extend into Texas depending how negative the PNA actually is.

Well, it appears that the PNA will become strongly negative to start December, it favors the cold into the west. There is a chance that some of this cold will leak out into the Southern Plains like what the GFS has been showing. The GEFS does show the SE Ridge in December, but it's trending weaker and farther east right now.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1376 Postby rwfromkansas » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:35 pm

It seems to me it’s rare for the trough to stay west. It likely would move east later in December.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1377 Postby Iceresistance » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:06 pm

rwfromkansas wrote:It seems to me it’s rare for the trough to stay west. It likely would move east later in December.

The Natural PNA in the 2nd and 3rd week of November helped me get the multiple days of snow on the 11th, 14th, and the 18th. -PNA favors the west, +PNA in the east, and a neutral favors us.

The circled portion is the PNA when I got the snow for those three days.

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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1378 Postby Brent » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:14 pm

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rwfromkansas wrote:It seems to me it’s rare for the trough to stay west. It likely would move east later in December.

The Natural PNA in the 2nd and 3rd week of November helped me get the multiple days of snow on the 11th, 14th, and the 18th. -PNA favors the west, +PNA in the east, and a neutral favors us.

The circled portion is the PNA when I got the snow for those three days.

https://s1.gifyu.com/images/pna.gefs.sprd2.png
https://s1.gifyu.com/images/pna.gefs.sprd2.png


I was gonna say isn't a -PNA how we get active weather here. I seem to remember in Dallas the only time it snowed was then :lol: it has to be just slightly though not strongly
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1379 Postby Cpv17 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:35 pm

Brent wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:
rwfromkansas wrote:It seems to me it’s rare for the trough to stay west. It likely would move east later in December.

The Natural PNA in the 2nd and 3rd week of November helped me get the multiple days of snow on the 11th, 14th, and the 18th. -PNA favors the west, +PNA in the east, and a neutral favors us.

The circled portion is the PNA when I got the snow for those three days.

https://s1.gifyu.com/images/pna.gefs.sprd2.png
https://s1.gifyu.com/images/pna.gefs.sprd2.png


I was gonna say isn't a -PNA how we get active weather here. I seem to remember in Dallas the only time it snowed was then :lol: it has to be just slightly though not strongly


A neutral PNA would be perfect for us.
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Re: Texas Fall 2022

#1380 Postby TropicalTundra » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:46 pm

12k NAM moved that snow line farther SE and cold air also bleeds farther east
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