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Could we see Perfect Storm 2?

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#21 Postby pgoss11 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:12 pm

Thanks wxmann for your input.
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#22 Postby nystate » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:36 pm

I am very scared many will freeze in their own homes this winter due to ridiculous heating bills.


You can say that again. I was paying around $800/month just for heat last winter in Watertown, NY. I can't imagine what I would be paying this winter with heating prices up around 30%.. :eek:
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#23 Postby smashmode » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:25 pm

What conditions do you need for superstorm?

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#24 Postby SamSagnella » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:44 pm

nystate wrote:
I am very scared many will freeze in their own homes this winter due to ridiculous heating bills.


You can say that again. I was paying around $800/month just for heat last winter in Watertown, NY. I can't imagine what I would be paying this winter with heating prices up around 30%.. :eek:


They're up >70% in parts of the NYC metro (not me, but somewhat nearby)!
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#25 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:28 am

smashmode wrote:What conditions do you need for superstorm?

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A lot more complicated. Need a blocking high over Greenland and an arctic high over Hudson Bay to lock in cold air, keep the storm from moving, and create a good pressure gradient. Also the upper-level low over Ohio will not move off the coast, instead a secondary surface low is forming off the coast of Cape Hatteras and is bombing, which is the one that will create all the commotion. Right now the blocking high over Greenland is not there, and thus this event will be here and gone rather quickly.
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#26 Postby WxGuy1 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:19 am

wxmann_91 wrote:
smashmode wrote:What conditions do you need for superstorm?


That's a loaded question which has resulted in many, many publications, and the answer is long. I could just say that we need strong upperlevel divergence from couplet jets, intense baroclinic instability, etc, but you're better off Googling it. Try Google'ing march 1993 superstorm.d
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#27 Postby FloridaHawk82 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:11 pm

A quick question that seems to fit in this thread...

When we see so much emphasis placed on water temperature and it's effect on hurricanes, how does a hurricane maintain strength in the frigid Atlantic waters off the NE coast?

To the met-educated, this may seem a stupid question, but I've always been curious. Thanks!
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#28 Postby Stephanie » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:35 pm

FloridaHawk82 wrote:A quick question that seems to fit in this thread...

When we see so much emphasis placed on water temperature and it's effect on hurricanes, how does a hurricane maintain strength in the frigid Atlantic waters off the NE coast?

To the met-educated, this may seem a stupid question, but I've always been curious. Thanks!


I did ask this question a LONG time ago and I think it has to do with the fact that a Nor'easter is a cold-core storm versus a tropical system which is a warm-core storm that feeds off the ocean waters. I'm not 100% sure of the difference, though I know that a Nor'easter does "explode" or "bombs out" over the ocean. I don't think that cold-core storms main source of energy is the water though.

Any of our experts care to elaborate???
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#29 Postby FloridaHawk82 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:56 pm

Stephanie wrote:
FloridaHawk82 wrote:A quick question that seems to fit in this thread...

When we see so much emphasis placed on water temperature and it's effect on hurricanes, how does a hurricane maintain strength in the frigid Atlantic waters off the NE coast?

To the met-educated, this may seem a stupid question, but I've always been curious. Thanks!


I did ask this question a LONG time ago and I think it has to do with the fact that a Nor'easter is a cold-core storm versus a tropical system which is a warm-core storm that feeds off the ocean waters. I'm not 100% sure of the difference, though I know that a Nor'easter does "explode" or "bombs out" over the ocean. I don't think that cold-core storms main source of energy is the water though.

Any of our experts care to elaborate???


Thank you Stephanie.
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#30 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:02 pm

Stephanie wrote:
FloridaHawk82 wrote:A quick question that seems to fit in this thread...

When we see so much emphasis placed on water temperature and it's effect on hurricanes, how does a hurricane maintain strength in the frigid Atlantic waters off the NE coast?

To the met-educated, this may seem a stupid question, but I've always been curious. Thanks!


I did ask this question a LONG time ago and I think it has to do with the fact that a Nor'easter is a cold-core storm versus a tropical system which is a warm-core storm that feeds off the ocean waters. I'm not 100% sure of the difference, though I know that a Nor'easter does "explode" or "bombs out" over the ocean. I don't think that cold-core storms main source of energy is the water though.

Any of our experts care to elaborate???


I don't think he was talking about noreasters, I think he was talking about how Wilma lasted so long in the frigid waters.

Well, I don't know exactly why, but Wilma must of had some type of baroclinic support yesterday, and maybe the evacuation of outflow enhanced by the developing noreaster neutralized the effect of the cold water.
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