2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#81 Postby TROPICALCYCLONEALERT » Fri Mar 06, 2026 2:23 pm

Zonacane wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
Zonacane wrote:Less activity doesn’t mean zero storms. It only takes one


This is weenie cope anytime I hear this saying on here tbh.

I’d like to think the average person browsing this forum (not necessarily the case for the general public) is prepared for a hurricane seasonal forecast or not.

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Not really? It's pretty standard. Getting a degree doesn't transform you into some sort of superhuman, nor does it have the obligations for constant professionalism in non-professional environments that you are implying. Moreover, he's right! Sure, it only takes one, but in an active season you can get a lot more than just one.
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#82 Postby zzzh » Fri Mar 06, 2026 2:34 pm

mixedDanilo.E wrote:https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cfs-avg/2026030606/cfs-avg_z500aMean_atl_6.png
https://charts.ecmwf.int/streaming/20260305-2010/67/webp-worker-commands-555bc69478-fhmgw-6fe5cac1a363ec1525f54343b6cc9fd8-ror7gv_8.webp

Maybe we might see a chance for -NAO to make a return in early April, as the SSW that is currently happening has an effect on the jet stream.

I think that's more because of a response to MJO moving through the Atlantic. That SSW is likely going to contribute to NAO+ later in the spring
 https://x.com/webberweather/status/2029323694468956611

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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#83 Postby Woofde » Fri Mar 06, 2026 3:55 pm

There is too much importance put on ENSO in my opinion. The three most important ocean indicators that we can look at with strong lead times are AMO, ENSO and the PDO. When I did a dive on what correlates with an active hurricane season a few years ago; the most important variable by far was the AMO. This makes sense, it's how much Atlantic warmth there is. ENSO does negatively correlate with activity but as you can see it's negative effect is not as strong as the forcing that a similar strength AMO creates.

The other variable that people sleep on is the PDO. It has a modulating effect on ENSO events and is of a similar level of statistical importance as ENSO itself.

If we look at what the climate modeling for 2026 ASO SST's suggest, we'll see three things. A warm Atlantic, a strong el nino and a negative PDO. Yes the nino event is likely to suppress the Atlantic to a large extent, but the -PDO and +AMO continuation pushing the opposite way leads me to believe we will not see a below active season yet again. An average to slightly above average season seems more likely in my opinion. This is probably the best shot we have at a below average season in the last 10 years, but the reason behind this strong run of hurricane seasons is still present.Image

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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#84 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Mar 06, 2026 11:55 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Zonacane wrote:Less activity doesn’t mean zero storms. It only takes one


This is weenie cope anytime I hear this saying on here tbh.

I’d like to think the average person browsing this forum (not necessarily the case for the general public) is prepared for a hurricane seasonal forecast or not.


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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#85 Postby NotSparta » Fri Mar 06, 2026 11:59 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Zonacane wrote:Less activity doesn’t mean zero storms. It only takes one


This is weenie cope anytime I hear this saying on here tbh.

I’d like to think the average person browsing this forum (not necessarily the case for the general public) is prepared for a hurricane seasonal forecast or not.


Absolutely is... I recall back in my weenie days I would use this sort of refrain. But not very useful to say on a tropical weather message board! Stating the obvious
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#86 Postby cycloneye » Sat Mar 07, 2026 1:14 pm

NMME March run has dry Caribbean and most of MDR in the peak months.

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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#87 Postby psyclone » Sat Mar 07, 2026 5:40 pm

I'm looking forward to another non season and there's probably lots of us. Is it too soon for a season cancel thread? Not this year. Might be time for a 0-0-0 seasonal guess this year
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#88 Postby gib » Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:07 pm

Pardon the interruption, but what exactly is "weenie cope"? Zonacane's post seemed innocuous enough, so the response feels unexpected and suggests I'm ignorant of something. Anyone want to educate an increasingly aging fool? haha
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#89 Postby USTropics » Sat Mar 07, 2026 7:00 pm

gib wrote:Pardon the interruption, but what exactly is "weenie cope"? Zonacane's post seemed innocuous enough, so the response feels unexpected and suggests I'm ignorant of something. Anyone want to educate an increasingly aging fool? haha


I'll take a stab at this. 'weenie cope' means we're expecting a below-average season based on the current climate models/data, so we 'weenie' cope by stating 'it only takes one storm' to make the season memorable.

Maybe we get two memorable storms though? I wasn't expecting the results of last season based on the preseason precursors...or 2023 as an opposite spectrum. Every season is its own unique snowflake :)
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#90 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sun Mar 08, 2026 12:31 am

Comparison between where SSTAs stood in the Atlantic around this time in 2023 and now. Things were getting ready to kick into overdrive by mid-March due to a prolonged bout of -NAO. Not seeing any dips like that in the guidance at the current time.
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Re: 2026 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#91 Postby gib » Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:42 am

USTropics wrote:I'll take a stab at this. 'weenie cope' means we're expecting a below-average season based on the current climate models/data, so we 'weenie' cope by stating 'it only takes one storm' to make the season memorable.

Maybe we get two memorable storms though? I wasn't expecting the results of last season based on the preseason precursors...or 2023 as an opposite spectrum. Every season is its own unique snowflake :)

Thanks USTropics. I interpreted the original comment as a reminder to stay vigilant, even during less-active seasons like current models suggest 2026 will be. That probably goes without saying given the audience here, but it seemed harmless enough. The perspective you illustrate certainly changes the meaning, though!
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