Jeanne Shows Flat Edge On West Side

[PurdueWx80]

Trouble is, I don't have any access to these Floyd images so I have no idea what you are talking about. If you are looking at them right now, could you please post them or pvt them to me? I don't remember establishing this as not being a ridge influence. In fact, I believe I made it clear that there is no trough affecting any portion of Jeanne right now. I'm going to quit arguing with you for the sake of arguing, it's becoming clearer that this is your point - I just want to make sure the people who are looking for real/accurate info here are getting what they expect.

[PurdueWx80]

All I've found...images are quite a bit different...so are the upper charts.

http://vortex.plymouth.edu/gen_sat-u.cg ... 2&loop=yes

[Sanibel]

Thank god Sanibel isn't a met :| .. no offense of course, but it ain't turnin bud.

Then all the NHC people who made that big hook turn probably don't meet your standards either.


Purdue:

We have established that this flat-edge occurring on the WNW periphery can't be contact with a secondary High because that would send the cyclone SW and therefore oppose NHC's own predictions. Are you with me on that? If the flat edge was occurring because Jeanne was encountering a secondary High over Florida it's clockwise circulation would require a southward movement. Since NHC predicts the exact opposite we can assume it isn't a High it is hitting.

A picture of Floyd encountering his steering border shows similar hard flat corners to his bands and outflow. He also had more clear air ahead of him - which is why people were calling for a straight track across Florida. I'm not saying Jeanne is now making a hard Floyd-like turn, but I am suggesting the NHC lift has started...

(I have no Floyd Archive images)

[miamijaaz]

For what it's worth, the latest model runs of the NOGAPS, ETA and even the GFS have come down south a bit and are showing landfall in South Florida, anywhere from Ft. Lauderdale (ETA) to West Palm (NOGAPS and GFS).

[NorthGaWeather]

Thank god Sanibel isn't a met :| .. no offense of course, but it ain't turnin bud.

Then all the NHC people who made that big hook turn probably don't meet your standards either.


Purdue:

We have established that this flat-edge occurring on the WNW periphery can't be contact with a secondary High because that would send the cyclone SW and therefore oppose NHC's own predictions. Are you with me on that? If the flat edge was occurring because Jeanne was encountering a secondary High over Florida it's clockwise circulation would require a southward movement. Since NHC predicts the exact opposite we can assume it isn't a High it is hitting.

A picture of Floyd encountering his steering border shows similar hard flat corners to his bands and outflow. He also had more clear air ahead of him - which is why people were calling for a straight track across Florida. I'm not saying Jeanne is now making a hard Floyd-like turn, but I am suggesting the NHC lift has started...

(I have no Floyd Archive images)

[/quote]

No but the high to his west and north just might be the one he is running into. Also Floyd was moving into a strong mid and upper level trough. I have yet to see a trough within 1000 miles of Jeanne.

[Sanibel]

Ah ha. I have yet to see a High that doesn't turn the cyclone more south. Guess NHC must have missed that...

[Guest]

The hurricane has great structure,the reason for the flat left side is dry air intrusion robbing moisture & causing a lack of convection.This seems like it will end shortly as the storm continues to get better organized..There is NO trough for 1000 miles from the center of this storm & the high that is driving it extends well into the GOM at this time.I dont know about Floyd I am to busy following Jeanne.

[PurdueWx80]

Guess we'll stop this satellite-based discussion until the eclipse is over in 2.5 hours.

[Guest]

Ah ha. I have yet to see a High that doesn't turn the cyclone more south. Guess NHC must have missed that...

The talk is'nt about the hurricane tracking south even though SW wobbles are not out of the question..The talk is about the storm not turning north as soon as forecasted & moving due west & affecting areas further south.

NHC does mention this in the 11 PM disc.