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Tampa Bay Hurricane · #1141 Postby **Tampa Bay Hurricane** » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:58 pm

QuckScat = SCAT in some cases....LOL Just Kidding :roflmao:

#1142 Postby **Ivanhater** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:00 am

anyone see the center to the northwest of the convection , right where the convection is shooting to?
http://hadar.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... at2_0.html

pcolaguy · #1143 Postby **pcolaguy** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:00 am

Tampa Bay Hurricane wrote::Toilet: QuckScat = SCAT in some cases....LOL Just Kidding

QuckScat = SCAT in some cases....LOL Just Kidding
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clfenwi · #1144 Postby **clfenwi** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:00 am

ivanhater wrote:omg i think i see the center!!!! i could be dead wrong....i think it just came out to the west of the convection, take a look

http://hadar.cira.colostate.edu/ramsdis ... at2_0.html

I see what you are talking about... don't know for sure, but the idea of that being the center is plausible to me...

Tampa Bay Hurricane · #1145 Postby **Tampa Bay Hurricane** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:01 am

I am easily amused...

Tampa Bay Hurricane · #1146 Postby **Tampa Bay Hurricane** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:01 am

Looks like irene has 2 vortices---then again it may be my sleeepy eyezzz

artist · #1147 Postby **artist** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:02 am

it can also be irresponsible to argue with a pro as well. it would be a lot smarter to agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY & just move on. That is what I would tell my sons. :wink:

KeyLargoDave · #1148 Postby **KeyLargoDave** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:05 am

OK, it's a little funny, I'm picturing a bunch of us staring at their CRTs, blowing on the last embers of the campfire, hoping to see some red so there's something to heat up our coffee in the morning.

#1149 Postby **Ivanhater** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:06 am

artist wrote:it can also be irresponsible to argue with a pro as well. it would be a lot smarter to agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY & just move on. That is what I would tell my sons.

umm, just becasue they have a pro banner stuck to them doesnt mean they are right all the time, if i disagree i have no problem telling them, as in the case yesterday wxman was telling me it was going wnw and it was going west and come to find out i was right, so i will not just go along with someone because they are a pro, i have and will continue to question something i dont agree with

pcolaguy · #1150 Postby **pcolaguy** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:07 am

artist wrote:it can also be irresponsible to argue with a pro as well. it would be a lot smarter to agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY & just move on. That is what I would tell my sons.

Maybe in a perfect world, that would work. But from what I have seen, in these arguments, these pro mets try to stir up trouble, insulting us as being far inferior to their "elite knowledge", also taking personal stabs like accusations of -removed-. Trying to be all elitest and make us believe they know everything about what's going on and we don't know what they're talking about. I don't know about you, but folks got to EARN my respect, they don't just get it with a title.

Matt-hurricanewatcher · #1151 Postby **Matt-hurricanewatcher** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:10 am

For crying out loud this is a weather board. We can discuse what ever...I believe that a new LLC is starting to form at this moment. In we should have a better idea by morning.

artist · #1152 Postby **artist** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:10 am

Ivan - you are missing the point. I did not say you have to agree - I said you could RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree and then move on. To keep rehashing the same old thing and to bring up someones supposed past errors is NOT the way to get along with others. Can you understand that? When he did not agree with you then just state NICELY, " I beg to differ, but I will respect your opinion, even though it is not the same as mine." Now does that not go over alot better than to argue and get no where but angry and to make an enemy? :wink:

Matt-hurricanewatcher · #1153 Postby **Matt-hurricanewatcher** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:11 am

pcolaguy wrote:
artist wrote:it can also be irresponsible to argue with a pro as well. it would be a lot smarter to agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY & just move on. That is what I would tell my sons.

Maybe in a perfect world, that would work. But from what I have seen, in these arguments, these pro mets try to stir up trouble, insulting us as being far inferior to their "elite knowledge", also taking personal stabs like accusations of -removed-. Trying to be all elitest and make us believe they know everything about what's going on and we don't know what they're talking about. I don't know about you, but folks got to EARN my respect, they don't just get it with a title.

I agree.

elysium · #1154 Postby **elysium** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:11 am

Irene has picked up forward speed, starts to pour it on. High strengthening, trough wanes. Now another burst of magenta near the center. Strong rotation directive. Continues heading due west under the building ridge.

#1155 Postby **Ivanhater** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:11 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:For crying out loud this is a weather board. We can discuse what ever...I believe that a new LLC is starting to form at this moment. In we should have a better idea by morning.

you thinking the one i think it is?

artist · #1156 Postby **artist** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:14 am

True, but does arguing do any good? Does it solve anything other than making others want to avoid the thread? There is a right way and a wrong way to disagree. If you truly feel they are being disrepsectful then you must be disrespectful back? What ever happened to the golden rule? Treat others as you would LIKE to be treated. (not as you may feel you are treated) In other words - do 2 wrongs make a right?

Matt-hurricanewatcher · #1157 Postby **Matt-hurricanewatcher** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:15 am

I think the new LLC is at 23.5/56 west. The convection is blowing up fast. I expect if I'm right that this will become better oreganized over the next 12 hours.

#1158 Postby **Ivanhater** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:15 am

artist wrote:True, but does arguing do any good? Does it solve anything other than making others want to avoid the thread? There is a right way and a wrong way to disagree. If you truly feel they are being disrepsectful then you must be disrespectful back? What ever happened to the golden rule? Treat others as you would LIKE to be treated. (not as you may feel you are treated) In other words - do 2 wrongs make a right?

i think ive been very respectful in disagreeing, go back and read my posts

tallywx · #1159 Postby **tallywx** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:16 am

The Pros. would also realize that the important "last step" of the scientific method is peer review, skepticism, debate, discussion, which inspires progress. Science cannot advance if an expert's word is immediately taken as gospel.

I'm a scientist turned economist (which is a "social science"). To tear a page out of economic theory, allowing pros. to rest on their credentials creates disincentive for them. They are less pressured and thus less inclined to question themselves, their methodology, and their findings. A good skeptic (meaning skepticism well placed) is a Pareto improvement, meaning it benefits all sides. If the skeptic is incorrect, he/she has learned something new. If the Pro. is incorrect, he/she has attained new knowledge. The third party (e.g. public receiving the forecast) is better off because this new knowledge translates into better understanding meaning better predictions for them in the future.

So question away! Don't question for the sake of opposing a pro, but definitely question when the issue merits it.

FlSteel · #1160 Postby **FlSteel** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:19 am

I thought this thread was about Irene comments, model plots and sat pics????

What's up with all the arguing. Lets get back to business.

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