2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1661 Postby Category5Kaiju » Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:51 pm

chaser1 wrote:Dr. William Gray looking down with a grin "I see you all crowding around that light switch but I told'ya that you have to wait till Aug 15-20 for it to be flipped on" :wink:


I don’t know about other people, but I personally already rang my bell on July 1. :lol:

I don’t really see it on Storm2k specifically, but I feel like a lot of wx enthusiasts on other social media sites seem to forget that there was literally a Category 5 hurricane in early July. Like, as if that didn’t mean anything?
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1662 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:06 pm

There was, but otherwise we're in typical headfake late July where conditions WILL improve from west to east, EPAC first. Every season is different, which makes this interesting. A big cat 5 early, but no 2005 like activity in July.

This is why I showed 1933 earlier. Two hurricanes in July, but no cat 5's. Equal but different.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1663 Postby chaser1 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:18 pm

tolakram wrote:There was, but otherwise we're in typical headfake late July where conditions WILL improve from west to east, EPAC first. Every season is different, which makes this interesting. A big cat 5 early, but no 2005 like activity in July.

This is why I showed 1933 earlier. Two hurricanes in July, but no cat 5's. Equal but different.


Sure is! Not literally but (slightly) akin to Florida's Mini Lobster Season verses Lobster Season. The former is a two-day spurt of activity to hunt for Lobsters; The latter being the 8-month long period when Lobsters are in season to hunt. Not comparing the time frames of course but when "our" primary season kicks in, things are apt to happen at a quick and frequent pace!
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#1664 Postby jlauderdal » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:29 pm

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chaser1 wrote:Dr. William Gray looking down with a grin "I see you all crowding around that light switch but I told'ya that you have to wait till Aug 15-20 for it to be flipped on" :wink:


I don’t know about other people, but I personally already rang my bell on July 1.

I don’t really see it on Storm2k specifically, but I feel like a lot of wx enthusiasts on other social media sites seem to forget that there was literally a Category 5 hurricane in early July. Like, as if that didn’t mean anything?
There was a 5 but it counts as only one system and there were some very lofty seasonal numbers and now there is anxiety.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1665 Postby Spacecoast » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:04 pm

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chaser1 wrote:Dr. William Gray looking down with a grin "I see you all crowding around that light switch but I told'ya that you have to wait till Aug 15-20 for it to be flipped on" :wink:

Interesting post this morning from Dr. Jeff Masters Yale blog....

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/07/bahamas-bound-disturbance-likely-to-develop-by-early-next-week/

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"As of July 30, according to statistics maintained by Colorado State University, the Northern Hemisphere had racked up only 64.4 units of accumulated cyclone energy. That’s just under 50% of the long-term average (1991-2020) for the date. The Northern Hemisphere has also seen only about half of the average number of named storms (9 vs. 18.2); less than half of the average named storm days (30.0 vs. 72.2); and only 3 hurricanes, compared to the average of 8.7."

Were it not for Beryl in the North Atlantic, each of the four basins of the Northern Hemisphere would be running far below their average activity, based on these numbers through July 30:"


This is looking at the entire N Hemisphere. The NATL numbers are already way above average..
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Here are the other 3 basins (anemic?)
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1666 Postby WaveBreaking » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:52 pm

Spacecoast wrote:.

chaser1 wrote:Dr. William Gray looking down with a grin "I see you all crowding around that light switch but I told'ya that you have to wait till Aug 15-20 for it to be flipped on" :wink:

Interesting post this morning from Dr. Jeff Masters Yale blog....

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2024/07/bahamas-bound-disturbance-likely-to-develop-by-early-next-week/

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"As of July 30, according to statistics maintained by Colorado State University, the Northern Hemisphere had racked up only 64.4 units of accumulated cyclone energy. That’s just under 50% of the long-term average (1991-2020) for the date. The Northern Hemisphere has also seen only about half of the average number of named storms (9 vs. 18.2); less than half of the average named storm days (30.0 vs. 72.2); and only 3 hurricanes, compared to the average of 8.7."

Were it not for Beryl in the North Atlantic, each of the four basins of the Northern Hemisphere would be running far below their average activity, based on these numbers through July 30:"


This is looking at the entire N Hemisphere. The NATL numbers are already way above average..
https://i.ibb.co/vY4cs67/natl.jpg

Here are the other 3 basins (anemic?)
https://i.ibb.co/2Sc93Hs/natla.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/9HNKNcK/natlb.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/4t2H8F9/natlc.jpg


In my eyes this either means that the background conditions globally are less favorable than avg this year, OR that all basins except the Atlantic are suffering from below avg conditions as a way to counterbalance a yet-to-be-seen surge of extreme activity in the ATL. I'm hoping it's the former :eek:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) August CanSIPS run posted

#1667 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:47 pm

The August CanSIPS run is out and is :eek: .

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SST Anomalies for ASO.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) August CanSIPS run posted

#1668 Postby Cpv17 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:59 pm

cycloneye wrote:The August CanSIPS run is out and is :eek: .

August
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SST Anomalies for ASO.
https://i.imgur.com/yWKDvDT.png


Holy! :eek:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) August CanSIPS run posted

#1669 Postby AnnularCane » Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:46 pm

What's up with the dry spot in the middle of the Gulf? :lol:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1671 Postby Stormybajan » Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:26 am

With that latest CANSIPS run and this Ocean Heat Content chart for the MDR from Brian Mcnoldy's site showing just how far 2023 and 2024 were ahead of all recent years since 2013 for this date...all I have to say is Happy tropics watching during this peak season for 2024! Most of the ingredients are already inplace for a likely historic, explosive,and destructive Atlantic hurricane season! :double: :double:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1672 Postby tolakram » Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:25 am

tolakram wrote:There was, but otherwise we're in typical headfake late July where conditions WILL improve from west to east, EPAC first. Every season is different, which makes this interesting. A big cat 5 early, but no 2005 like activity in July.

This is why I showed 1933 earlier. Two hurricanes in July, but no cat 5's. Equal but different.


I can't decide if this post is aging well or not. Now 97L could be either a surprise storm into the eastern gulf, or a memorable flood maker.
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#1673 Postby cycloneye » Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:41 pm

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#1675 Postby 869MB » Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:46 am

What really stands out to me so far in this 2024 season is the fact that all three, and now a high probable four, storms have entered the Gulf of Mexico without any systems either crossing over Central America, developing along the East Coast, or recurving out in the Atlantic Ocean. It will be very interesting to see just how long this overall trend continues as the hurricane season progresses.
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#1676 Postby REDHurricane » Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:02 am

How warm do we think the Gulf will get by the end of the season? There's already a patch of 32ºC water just off Tampa Bay and we have at least 2-3 months to go before things start cooling off... are we going to see patches of 34 or even 35ºC by November??

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#1677 Postby zzzh » Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:22 am

Climo Gulf SST peaks around mid August. MDR SST peaks around late September. Caribbean SST peaks around mid September.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1678 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:59 am

REDHurricane wrote:How warm do we think the Gulf will get by the end of the season? There's already a patch of 32ºC water just off Tampa Bay and we have at least 2-3 months to go before things start cooling off... are we going to see patches of 34 or even 35ºC by November??

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/cdas-sflux_sst_watl_1.png


That would be something else, I mean iirc that would rival or beat the regular summertime temperatures of the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea
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#1680 Postby LarryWx » Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:58 am

REDHurricane wrote:How warm do we think the Gulf will get by the end of the season? There's already a patch of 32ºC water just off Tampa Bay and we have at least 2-3 months to go before things start cooling off... are we going to see patches of 34 or even 35ºC by November??

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/cdas-sflux_sst_watl_1.png


No. As zzzh said, Gulf SST climo peak very near. It wouldn’t surprise me if current high 80s in E GOM, which is already very warm, is about the peak.

Latest peak on record is near the ~Oct 1 of 2018, which is why Michael was so intense. E Gulf SSTs weren’t this warm then, but much of it was near 86.
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