2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models) Update= CanSIPS model up

#181 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu Feb 01, 2024 12:41 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:
tolakram wrote:How about Sahara dust? Any indicators we can look at to predict how good or bad dust outbreaks will be? From the looks of it we will need MDR activity to reach a hyperactive season, which means dust is going to be a factor. I'm not claiming to know anything here, just asking.


There was a twitter thread by I think Eric Webb that talked about how a warmer Canary current region typically lends itself towards a more moist deep tropics with less dry air/SAL issues. How warm that region is by the summer might give us a clue on how much dry air will be issue.

The Canary Current has an effect yes. Last year it was very warm/above avg which proved beneficial in enhancing vertical instability in the MDR, especially in the face of El Nino. Would definitely explain the abundance of MDR activity last year; was actually more active than 2020 in that regard which was mainly bolstered by the insane amount of late-season WATL activity.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, ENSO, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#182 Postby Deshaunrob17 » Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:16 pm

LarryWx wrote:
Deshaunrob17 wrote:The only major thing i could see that go wrong is of La Nina gets too strong.. Strong La Ninas can throw an unexpected curveball


I’d call that going “right” rather than going “wrong” from my perspective of always wanting a relatively quiet season. I’ll be hoping. Here’s something else. Should the cold last half of Feb and early March predicted for the SE US verify, maybe that would bring down GOM SSTs/OHC some for the early season. I know, wishful thinking in this warmer world.


True but the thing is the Gulf will always be warm enough by peak of the hurricane season. Also the cool down over the East US i think would help strengthen the positive AMO look, causing the rising motion to focused in tropics
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#183 Postby chaser1 » Thu Feb 01, 2024 7:29 pm

Idk but it just seems that there's always that ONE fly that somehow finds it's way past us all, just to end up landing "splatt" upside down in our Summer/Fall N Hemisphere "Ointment" (oceans). Okay, just to be on the exotic side I think I'll go with unusually "low capped" vertical structure tropical cyclones as a result of a colder pool of air aloft therefore limiting vertical development and resulting in shallower tropical cyclones. Perhaps a year full of wet sloggers rather then high end wind events? :Chit:

Another unseen variable could potentially be volcanic emissions/particulates as a result of one or more present hot spots (ie Iceland, Hawaii, etc)
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#184 Postby SFLcane » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:22 pm

El niño will soon be on life support folks…

 https://x.com/wxpatel/status/1753147675086668177


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#185 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:43 pm

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#186 Postby cycloneye » Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:23 pm

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#188 Postby cycloneye » Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:53 pm



Wow, that Canary Current is on fire.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#189 Postby zzzh » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm

Current weekly MDR sst is 26.1 degrees, about 0.5 degrees warmer than the previous record holder 2010. It is also 0.1 degrees warmer than July 1st climatology :lol:
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And more warming incoming thanks to that -NAO.
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#190 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:57 pm

zzzh wrote:Current weekly MDR sst is 26.1 degrees, about 0.5 degrees warmer than the previous record holder 2010. It is also 0.1 degrees warmer than July 1st climatology :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/3nCYZ7y.png
And more warming incoming thanks to that -NAO.

+NAO episode hardly made much of a dent (if at all) and it's getting ready to end. Quite literally reaching uncharted waters.
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#191 Postby zzzh » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:24 pm

DorkyMcDorkface wrote:
zzzh wrote:Current weekly MDR sst is 26.1 degrees, about 0.5 degrees warmer than the previous record holder 2010. It is also 0.1 degrees warmer than July 1st climatology :lol:
https://i.imgur.com/3nCYZ7y.png
And more warming incoming thanks to that -NAO.

+NAO episode hardly made much of a dent (if at all) and it's getting ready to end. Quite literally reaching uncharted waters.

Yeah I overestimated the +NAO, mdr ssta never dipped below +1C :D
zzzh wrote:There will be a strong easterly surge in the MDR and I expect the ssta to drop to around +0.7. Btw long range models are showing a major -NAO starting around Jan 28-30.
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#192 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:34 pm

At this rate, the MDR sst anomalies on the coral reef watch system are literally going to be black :lol:
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#194 Postby cycloneye » Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:38 pm

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#195 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:41 pm


I would assume no lol, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if we get another June MDR TC a la Bret or Cindy
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#196 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:16 am

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#197 Postby SFLcane » Mon Feb 05, 2024 8:46 am

Folks hype aside we may very well be looking at a historic season incoming. It’s still relatively early but if things hold I would certainly make sure your prepared come June 1 as you should always be regardless of predictions. Let’s hope things change.
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#198 Postby cycloneye » Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:05 am

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#199 Postby aspen » Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:58 am


Andy seems to usually be fairly conservative, so seeing him say that a 20/10/5 season is possible is certainly something.
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#200 Postby zzzh » Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:50 am

EC predicts 1.1x climo ace in MAMJJA.
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