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Re: 2020 Indicators: SST's / SAL / MSLP / Steering / Shear / Instability / Sat Images

#2681 Postby NDG » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:40 am

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#2682 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:28 am

Could we be seeing so much ridging that more Bahamas/S. Florida headfakes turn into western Gulf threats?
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#2684 Postby Shell Mound » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:50 am

SconnieCane wrote:Could we be seeing so much ridging that more Bahamas/S. Florida headfakes turn into western Gulf threats?

Based on the tracks we’ve been seeing, we could see major threats to Houston, Miami, and New York City in the same year. September remember?
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#2686 Postby chaser1 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:14 pm

Another 2005 compared to 2020 Fun Fact....

The 5th HURRICANE of 2005 was Katrina (upgraded from T.S. to Hurricane on Aug 25). We all know what Katrina did. Even after Katrina, that year saw 10 more storms reaching hurricane intensity. Four of those 10 Hurricanes went on to reach major Hurricane intensity.
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#2687 Postby BYG Jacob » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:28 pm


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#2688 Postby Hammy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:03 am

Looking pretty likely we won't have a tropical system develop during the final ten days of August (though Laura barely fell outside of it), which while not an indicator of the season, has only happened a handful of times in the last several decades--going back to 1995 it only occurred three times--1997 (which saw nothing the entire month), 2000, and 2018.
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#2689 Postby Loveweather12 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:37 am

Hammy wrote:Looking pretty likely we won't have a tropical system develop during the final ten days of August (though Laura barely fell outside of it), which while not an indicator of the season, has only happened a handful of times in the last several decades--going back to 1995 it only occurred three times--1997 (which saw nothing the entire month), 2000, and 2018.


That’s not what the models are showing.
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#2690 Postby CyclonicFury » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:40 am

Sometimes, in the tropics, when in doubt of the season, you just have to wait a few days.

We've already had 4 hurricanes, all that formed from tropical waves (which is twice as many as the entire 2013 season had, and well above normal). Laura looks likely to become the first major hurricane of the season. ACE is already above 30, and will rise further as Laura intensifies. The ECMWF has been consistent on another possible MDR origin storm next week.
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#2691 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:57 am

Hammy wrote:Looking pretty likely we won't have a tropical system develop during the final ten days of August (though Laura barely fell outside of it), which while not an indicator of the season, has only happened a handful of times in the last several decades--going back to 1995 it only occurred three times--1997 (which saw nothing the entire month), 2000, and 2018.

You might be right but that wave getting ready to exit Africa could spin up in the last day or two.
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#2692 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:52 pm

Another HUGE SAL surge coming off Africa! Maybe this is why the EPS is less bullish on the wave getting ready to come off the coast.

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Also mid-level dry air has increased.

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#2693 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:26 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:Another HUGE SAL surge coming off Africa! Maybe this is why the EPS is less bullish on the wave getting ready to come off the coast.

https://i.ibb.co/mN34Lp7/4782-BF6-B-9-B62-41-C1-AE68-B4-A4-C624-E5-BD.jpg

Also mid-level dry air has increased.

https://i.ibb.co/FWfV2Jq/26871-D0-E-2737-43-CD-90-D1-0-E5-FDC7-BDA1-C.jpg


Could certainly send the coming near peak season AEW's far to the western side of the basin .... where they could find much friendlier environs.
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#2694 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:33 pm

toad strangler wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Another HUGE SAL surge coming off Africa! Maybe this is why the EPS is less bullish on the wave getting ready to come off the coast.

https://i.ibb.co/mN34Lp7/4782-BF6-B-9-B62-41-C1-AE68-B4-A4-C624-E5-BD.jpg

Also mid-level dry air has increased.

https://i.ibb.co/FWfV2Jq/26871-D0-E-2737-43-CD-90-D1-0-E5-FDC7-BDA1-C.jpg


Could certainly send the coming near peak season AEW's far to the western side of the basin .... where they could find much friendlier environs.

Yes, but both the SAL and mid-level dry air just don’t want to relent. Maybe something’s wrong with the scale?
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#2695 Postby toad strangler » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:40 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Another HUGE SAL surge coming off Africa! Maybe this is why the EPS is less bullish on the wave getting ready to come off the coast.

https://i.ibb.co/mN34Lp7/4782-BF6-B-9-B62-41-C1-AE68-B4-A4-C624-E5-BD.jpg

Also mid-level dry air has increased.

https://i.ibb.co/FWfV2Jq/26871-D0-E-2737-43-CD-90-D1-0-E5-FDC7-BDA1-C.jpg


Could certainly send the coming near peak season AEW's far to the western side of the basin .... where they could find much friendlier environs.

Yes, but both the SAL and mid-level dry air just don’t want to relent. Maybe something’s wrong with the scale?


How'd I know you were going there? :lol:
It's still August with almost a week to go. SAL doesn't just shut off like a light. We'll see.
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#2696 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:04 pm

toad strangler wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
Could certainly send the coming near peak season AEW's far to the western side of the basin .... where they could find much friendlier environs.

Yes, but both the SAL and mid-level dry air just don’t want to relent. Maybe something’s wrong with the scale?


How'd I know you were going there? :lol:
It's still August with almost a week to go. SAL doesn't just shut off like a light. We'll see.

people are acting like it's september 15th lol. just be patient, has this season not taught people that yet? likely going to be at 13/4/1 already with time still left in august.
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#2697 Postby TheStormExpert » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:08 pm

AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Yes, but both the SAL and mid-level dry air just don’t want to relent. Maybe something’s wrong with the scale?


How'd I know you were going there? :lol:
It's still August with almost a week to go. SAL doesn't just shut off like a light. We'll see.

people are acting like it's september 15th lol. just be patient, has this season not taught people that yet? likely going to be at 13/4/1 already with time still left in august.

It’s August 26th and the peak day is 15 days away. Not saying this is a complete shutdown just saying that SAL outbreak looks intense for the time of year.
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#2698 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:09 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
AxaltaRacing24 wrote:
toad strangler wrote:
How'd I know you were going there? :lol:
It's still August with almost a week to go. SAL doesn't just shut off like a light. We'll see.

people are acting like it's september 15th lol. just be patient, has this season not taught people that yet? likely going to be at 13/4/1 already with time still left in august.

It’s August 26th and the peak day is 15 days away. Not saying this is a complete shutdown just saying that SAL outbreak looks intense for the time of year.

that's gonna make this year even more dangerous. 2005 had similar issues in the MDR, so storms just found the favorable conditions further west.
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#2699 Postby tolakram » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:22 am

He asked a valid question that no one answered. Is something wrong with the scale?

I've had similar questions about the scale used for instability in the MDR, which has been below average for over 10 years now.
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#2700 Postby MarioProtVI » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:47 am

TheStormExpert wrote:Another HUGE SAL surge coming off Africa! Maybe this is why the EPS is less bullish on the wave getting ready to come off the coast.

https://i.ibb.co/mN34Lp7/4782-BF6-B-9-B62-41-C1-AE68-B4-A4-C624-E5-BD.jpg

Also mid-level dry air has increased.

https://i.ibb.co/FWfV2Jq/26871-D0-E-2737-43-CD-90-D1-0-E5-FDC7-BDA1-C.jpg

The wave seems to have a pouch of moist air surrounding it which looks to be protecting it from the dry air. I still think we will see some hurricanes and a major or two at some point in the MDR in September (preferably the first half of the month). WAM begins decreasing at this point so the waves will be smaller and likely not be struggling as much. Just gotta have patience. Plus, the GFS (which is known for its horrible genesis pattern this year) caught onto a strong storm in the long range as well.
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