2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#301 Postby JetFuel_SE » Fri May 05, 2023 8:01 am

zzzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Bg6ZVMZ.png
EC monthlies forecast an active Atlantic.

Yeah idk about that one.
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#302 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri May 05, 2023 8:07 am

zzzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Zi8y8MA.png
https://i.imgur.com/99TtItN.png
Euro also shows a huge AMO+ and a fairly wet Atlantic for peak hurricane season.


Wow, it looks like that forecast still calls for the -PDO to last during the JAS timeframe, but the +AMO in the Atlantic looks about as classic and healthy as you can get. Quite a stark difference between that and, say, last year.
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#303 Postby aspen » Fri May 05, 2023 8:24 am

zzzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/Zi8y8MA.png
https://i.imgur.com/99TtItN.png
Euro also shows a huge AMO+ and a fairly wet Atlantic for peak hurricane season.

I’ve never seen such conflicting signals before. Strong El Niño vs an insane +AMO. Which one will win out? Who knows at this point. However, I’m still leaning towards a near-average season with comparable storm tracks and formation hotspots as 2018 (decent tropical EAtl activity, fruitful subtropics, a complete graveyard in the tropical WAtl that kills any MDR systems that get too close). The Nino shear should, in theory, be enough to put a lid on this season.

Imagine if we had a neutral or -ENSO this year with that SSTA configuration. We’d have a really good shot of breaking 200 ACE with that.
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#305 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Fri May 05, 2023 8:45 am

About 17 NS and 9 HU lol during a potentially strong Niño lol
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#310 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 05, 2023 10:54 am

And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

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#311 Postby SFLcane » Fri May 05, 2023 11:00 am

cycloneye wrote:And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

https://i.imgur.com/OePB5Q5.png


That is alot of blue were it matters
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#312 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri May 05, 2023 1:36 pm

SFLcane wrote:
cycloneye wrote:And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

https://i.imgur.com/OePB5Q5.png


That is alot of blue were it matters


It's also highly unrealistic for a strong El Nino with the increase in surface divergence over the Caribbean that such pattern usually brings.
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#313 Postby NotSparta » Fri May 05, 2023 1:43 pm

cycloneye wrote:And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

https://i.imgur.com/OePB5Q5.png


This is kind of wild to see during an oncoming moderate/strong El Niño from a model that used to bathe the Atlantic in red if ENSO wasn't foregone La Niña. Really shows the bias switch
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#314 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Fri May 05, 2023 2:03 pm

NotSparta wrote:
cycloneye wrote:And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

https://i.imgur.com/OePB5Q5.png


This is kind of wild to see during an oncoming moderate/strong El Niño from a model that used to bathe the Atlantic in red if ENSO wasn't foregone La Niña. Really shows the bias switch


The euro predicted a really active season last year and that did not pan out. When considering the likely robust el nino that's coming up, I think it's leaning too much in favor of the Atlantic again.
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#315 Postby Zonacane » Fri May 05, 2023 2:10 pm

cycloneye wrote:And then comes the lowering MSLP for June, July and August.

https://i.imgur.com/OePB5Q5.png

That would be an enormous hurricane outbreak. Nino and early season be damned
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Re: 2023 Indicators (SST, SAL, MSLP, Wind shear, Steering, Instability) and Day 16+ Models

#316 Postby Category5Kaiju » Fri May 05, 2023 2:31 pm

With considering everything that is happening now, I am going to go on a limb and say that I genuinely do not think there are any good comparison years with 2023, at least in recent times. I see 2002, 2006, and 2009 thrown around quite a bit, but those three years had very dry Sahel regions, and their inactivity was basically compounded by decent strength El Ninos. 1982, 1997, and 2015 were Super Nino years, and I don't think this year will see anything that strong. El Nino years in the 1980s and 1990s had anomalously cold Atlantic sea surface temperatures, so I don't think those are very good analog years either.

We might need to look further back in time for analog years. I see Eric Webb has mentioned years like 1899, 1965, and 1969 being plausible analogs. I also wonder if we could throw 1951, 1953, and 1963 into the mix too.
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#317 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 05, 2023 3:37 pm

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#318 Postby gatorcane » Fri May 05, 2023 7:48 pm

Looks like El Niño and possibly a strong one is imminent looking at the latest SST anomaly maps. Should be a lot of shear over the Caribbean and Gulf this hurricane season. Could see some big storms further out into the Central and East Atlantic though given the higher SST anomalies there and since those regions won’t be as impacted by the El Nino shear. Thinking Cape Verde and even Azores may have to watch.

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#319 Postby SFLcane » Fri May 05, 2023 8:58 pm

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#320 Postby chaser1 » Fri May 05, 2023 11:18 pm

That's it, I've seen enough. The unusually positive AMO will prove to be the "gasoline", whereas El Nino might actually serve as an anticyclonic "flint" for northeast motion tropical development. What began early this year as mild curiosity, has rapidly transitioned into an outright fear and concern this season for everyone...........
East of 30W. Laugh now Iceland, but you may have just entered - the "warm zone" :layout:
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