Gulf of Mexico Disturbance--PGI37L
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Re: Gulf of Mexico Disturbance--PGI37L
I've gotten more weather from this no nothing system today than I got from the TD 5 double header that visited us twice... It's very tropical in Biloxi today... just had a nice little squall line come thru.. breezy and rain.. sweet...
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Raining now in downtown N.O. and a little breezy.
>>One thing that may work in our favor is the "wave train" and the pattern being established by these CV storms. Each will continue to leave a weakness which the succeeding storm would likely follow. Maybe the Bermuda high doesn't build back in.
This is an oversimplification that a lot of people latch onto, but it's not really the case even though sometimes it works that way (more likely toward the end of the season). Earl will only follow Danielle in as much as the pattern allows for recurvature - but farther west. Often in the wake of tropical systems, high pressure will build back with a vengence (not going to happen just yet), sometimes it will erode.
Pattern hasn't even flipped yet to ridge "on" in the Northeast U.S. Check out the 384 run of the ECMWF at 500mb to see where it sees us heading. If you don't believe that, check out the GFS at 200mb. True, the NAO isn't going to be a player yet and does not indicate where the season is heading. And after a bit of deterioration in the short-term (following Earl and 97L/Fiona-to-be) some reinforcments to western Atlantic high pressure will come courtesy of Eastern Canada. Bank on that. What we don't know is how strong or how long any of that will last. That's the beauty of sports that aren't fixed and the weather. It's going to be an interesting 4-6 weeks. FWIW, European long-range shows the pressures really falling toward the Gulf and Caribbean. No way we can tell who gets nailed, but its' coming. I personally guarantee many scary moments of model and wobble watching coming to a pc near us all.
>>One thing that may work in our favor is the "wave train" and the pattern being established by these CV storms. Each will continue to leave a weakness which the succeeding storm would likely follow. Maybe the Bermuda high doesn't build back in.
This is an oversimplification that a lot of people latch onto, but it's not really the case even though sometimes it works that way (more likely toward the end of the season). Earl will only follow Danielle in as much as the pattern allows for recurvature - but farther west. Often in the wake of tropical systems, high pressure will build back with a vengence (not going to happen just yet), sometimes it will erode.
Pattern hasn't even flipped yet to ridge "on" in the Northeast U.S. Check out the 384 run of the ECMWF at 500mb to see where it sees us heading. If you don't believe that, check out the GFS at 200mb. True, the NAO isn't going to be a player yet and does not indicate where the season is heading. And after a bit of deterioration in the short-term (following Earl and 97L/Fiona-to-be) some reinforcments to western Atlantic high pressure will come courtesy of Eastern Canada. Bank on that. What we don't know is how strong or how long any of that will last. That's the beauty of sports that aren't fixed and the weather. It's going to be an interesting 4-6 weeks. FWIW, European long-range shows the pressures really falling toward the Gulf and Caribbean. No way we can tell who gets nailed, but its' coming. I personally guarantee many scary moments of model and wobble watching coming to a pc near us all.
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With this amount of upper divergence, couldn't a anti-cyclone develop over this? Possibly lowering the shear?


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Not saying anything is going to develop here but the area is starting to have that look to it.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/gmex/loop-vis.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/gmex/loop-vis.html
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Greg...is this convection heading W/NW towards SETX or is the tail end of the frontal passage all we're going to get? I keep hearing it is headed W/NW, but you are the only MTR forecasting decent precip for Sunday. NWS is forecasting barely any rain for us. I'm confused...
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I 'm gonna take a guess that a low mabe forming south of the mouth of the Miss. river, because if look closely at the Hi-res. visible loop you see that the eddy(swirl) south of Morgan City is rotating around something to the SE in the heavier convection. Just my guess and it's not at the surface yet but is getting all in the inflow. should be a wet weekend for us in SE La.
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Re: Gulf of Mexico Disturbance--PGI37L
Looks to me that a weak low has formed near the Louisiana coast......MGC
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This buoy raises my suspicion for sure, south of the central LA coast. Pressure dropping and winds sustained near 30mph.
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42362
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42362
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Dean4Storms wrote:This buoy raises my suspicion for sure, south of the central LA coast. Pressure dropping and winds sustained near 30mph.
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42362
Anemometer height: 122 m above site elevation
Barometer elevation: 37 m above mean sea level
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djmikey wrote:Greg...is this convection heading W/NW towards SETX or is the tail end of the frontal passage all we're going to get? I keep hearing it is headed W/NW, but you are the only MTR forecasting decent precip for Sunday. NWS is forecasting barely any rain for us. I'm confused...
I would expect the trough axis, which extends from near the mouth of the Mississippi to the Mexican coast south of Brownsville, to shift slowly westward toward the Texas coast this weekend.
A few showers will be possible Saturday evening with a better risk Sunday. Not expecting any development and rainfall totals should stay less than two inches in a 24 hour period.
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greg_kfdm_tv wrote:djmikey wrote:Greg...is this convection heading W/NW towards SETX or is the tail end of the frontal passage all we're going to get? I keep hearing it is headed W/NW, but you are the only MTR forecasting decent precip for Sunday. NWS is forecasting barely any rain for us. I'm confused...
I would expect the trough axis, which extends from near the mouth of the Mississippi to the Mexican coast south of Brownsville, to shift slowly westward toward the Texas coast this weekend.
A few showers will be possible Saturday evening with a better risk Sunday. Not expecting any development and rainfall totals should stay less than two inches in a 24 hour period.
Thanks Greg!
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MGC wrote:Looks to me that a weak low has formed near the Louisiana coast......MGC
Same.
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Shear is our friend this season in the GOM.
If it were not for the shear we'd have big problems
with this. IMO
http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satelli ... uration=12
If it were not for the shear we'd have big problems
with this. IMO
http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/satelli ... uration=12
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Re: Gulf of Mexico Disturbance--PGI37L
why is developement not expected. it seems like storms are persisting
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Re: Gulf of Mexico Disturbance--PGI37L
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
307 PM CDT FRI AUG 27 2010
.SYNOPSIS...
UPPER SHEAR AXIS AND SURFACE WARM FRONT EXTEND FROM NORTHERN GULF
OF MEXICO SOUTH OF MORGAN CITY...TO LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN...TO NORTH
OF MOBILE AT 19Z. WINDS OUT OF THE SOUTH TO THE SOUTH OF THE
BOUNDARY...AND LIGHT EAST TO NORTHEAST THE NORTH OF THE BOUNDARY.
A CIRCULATION CENTER IS APPARENT ON RADAR ABOUT 60NM TO THE SOUTH
OF MORGAN CITY...MOVING WEST. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS DETECTED FROM
PASCAGOULA TO NEW ORLEANS TO THIBODAUX WITH ONE OF THE BANDS.
&&
.SHORT TERM...
MORNING PRECIPITABLE WATER WAS 1.86 AT LIX...AND THIS WAS NORTH OF
THE BOUNDARY...WITH SOUNDER INDICATING 2.0 TO 2.5 INCHES TO THE
SOUTH OF THE BOUNDARY. MODELS ARE CONSISTENT IN LEAVING THE SHEAR
AXIS AND FRONTAL BOUNDARY OVER THE AREA THROUGH ABOUT 36 HOURS
BEFORE DRIFTING NORTHWARD AND GETTING PICKED UP IN THE WESTERLIES.
WITH LITTLE CHANGE IN THE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS OVER THE NEXT 3-4
PERIODS...THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY...EXPECT SCATTERED TO
NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS TO AGAIN OCCUR ON SATURDAY AND
SUNDAY. THE MAIN TIME OF OCCURRENCE WILL AGAIN BE THE DIURNALLY
FAVORED AFTERNOON AND EVENING HOURS OVER LAND. LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL IS EXPECTED...BUT SHOULD NOT BE WIDESPREAD AT ANY ONE
TIME. SLIGHTLY LOWER POPS ON MONDAY AS UPPER IMPULSE MOVES OFF TO
THE NORTHEAST. TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE NEAR NORMAL THROUGH THE
WEEKEND. 35
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
307 PM CDT FRI AUG 27 2010
.SYNOPSIS...
UPPER SHEAR AXIS AND SURFACE WARM FRONT EXTEND FROM NORTHERN GULF
OF MEXICO SOUTH OF MORGAN CITY...TO LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN...TO NORTH
OF MOBILE AT 19Z. WINDS OUT OF THE SOUTH TO THE SOUTH OF THE
BOUNDARY...AND LIGHT EAST TO NORTHEAST THE NORTH OF THE BOUNDARY.
A CIRCULATION CENTER IS APPARENT ON RADAR ABOUT 60NM TO THE SOUTH
OF MORGAN CITY...MOVING WEST. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS DETECTED FROM
PASCAGOULA TO NEW ORLEANS TO THIBODAUX WITH ONE OF THE BANDS.
&&
.SHORT TERM...
MORNING PRECIPITABLE WATER WAS 1.86 AT LIX...AND THIS WAS NORTH OF
THE BOUNDARY...WITH SOUNDER INDICATING 2.0 TO 2.5 INCHES TO THE
SOUTH OF THE BOUNDARY. MODELS ARE CONSISTENT IN LEAVING THE SHEAR
AXIS AND FRONTAL BOUNDARY OVER THE AREA THROUGH ABOUT 36 HOURS
BEFORE DRIFTING NORTHWARD AND GETTING PICKED UP IN THE WESTERLIES.
WITH LITTLE CHANGE IN THE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS OVER THE NEXT 3-4
PERIODS...THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY...EXPECT SCATTERED TO
NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS TO AGAIN OCCUR ON SATURDAY AND
SUNDAY. THE MAIN TIME OF OCCURRENCE WILL AGAIN BE THE DIURNALLY
FAVORED AFTERNOON AND EVENING HOURS OVER LAND. LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL IS EXPECTED...BUT SHOULD NOT BE WIDESPREAD AT ANY ONE
TIME. SLIGHTLY LOWER POPS ON MONDAY AS UPPER IMPULSE MOVES OFF TO
THE NORTHEAST. TEMPERATURES SHOULD BE NEAR NORMAL THROUGH THE
WEEKEND. 35
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