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#41 Postby dhweather » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:46 pm

Ixolib wrote:
dhweather wrote:Here's the last three runs for comparison, definate shift back west.


But they are now more clustered, albeit further west. When they cluster like this, does that mean the handle is now much better and shifts are becoming less likely??


Unfortunately, that's not necissarily true.

Three days ago, they were tightly clustered to Western Cuba for landfall,
then thye diverged all over the place.

It's a sign that the models seem to agree on the dynamics at work, for now, for a Pensacola landfall.

Of course, that's a long way off and the models will shift again, the question is which way?

I find it noteworthy that the graphics use to show a sharp recurve after landfall, but not now. That's probably a sign of the ridge building in
from the plains. That reinforces the "timing is everything" phrase.
If Dennis slows for any reason, the further west he may go as the
plains ridge continues to build in.
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#42 Postby gatorcane » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:48 pm

Every one of those models except one is already off target with the current location and movement. :roll:
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#43 Postby jdray » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:56 pm

boca_chris wrote:I don't think these models are factoring in the ULL moving SE near the Great Lakes and the trough digging down from the plains. You can see the ridge protecting FL is moving towards the ENE because of these features. The upper-level flow over the northern Gulf is SW to NE. I don't see how this hurricane will move any farther west than the panhandle of FL...in fact...maybe a shift east in these models tonight and tomorrow.



There is a definte SW/NE boundary in the air up here. You can see it just looking at the clouds.
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#44 Postby AL Chili Pepper » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:57 pm

The short-wave moving through the Midwest is more typical of July. I don't see anything that will scoop Dennis up and off. I agree dh, the key ingredient is how strong and fast the ridge builds back in behind the system. It's a tricky situation and I think the NHC has been splitting the difference with the track that they've got. They've been making only subtle changes in order not to have to drastically change it down the pike(IMO).
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#45 Postby deltadog03 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:58 pm

boca_chris wrote:Every one of those models except one is already off target with the current location and movement. :roll:


you just want it in boca... :grr:
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#46 Postby Stormcenter » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:59 pm

boca_chris wrote:Every one of those models except one is already off target with the current location and movement. :roll:


It makes not want to trust the models even more so huh?
That's why I'm not sold on the Florida Peninsula landfall
until it actually happens.
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#47 Postby Brent » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:59 pm

deltadog03 wrote:
boca_chris wrote:Every one of those models except one is already off target with the current location and movement. :roll:


you just want it in boca... :grr:


LOL Someone has figured it out... :lol:
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#48 Postby loon » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:00 pm

Brent wrote:
deltadog03 wrote:
boca_chris wrote:Every one of those models except one is already off target with the current location and movement. :roll:


you just want it in boca... :grr:


LOL Someone has figured it out... :lol:


Wasn't this already figured out? heh. :lol: :lol:
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#49 Postby dhweather » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:04 pm

AL Chili Pepper wrote:The short-wave moving through the Midwest is more typical of July. I don't see anything that will scoop Dennis up and off. I agree dh, the key ingredient is how strong and fast the ridge builds back in behind the system. It's a tricky situation and I think the NHC has been splitting the difference with the track that they've got. They've been making only subtle changes in order not to have to drastically change it down the pike(IMO).



Nail, meet hammer!
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#50 Postby Scott_inVA » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:29 pm

dhweather wrote:Here's the last three runs for comparison, definate shift back west.


<img src="http://www.diamondheadweather.com/dennis/storm_04-04.gif">

<img src="http://www.diamondheadweather.com/dennis/storm_04-05.gif">

<img src="http://www.diamondheadweather.com/dennis/storm_04-06.gif">


I can assure everyone the models are not...repeat...NOT trending WEST.

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#51 Postby Ixolib » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:35 pm

Scott_inVA wrote: I can assure everyone the models are not...repeat...NOT trending WEST.

Scott
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http://www.midatlanticwx.com/modelmap.htm


Finally, assurance has arrived!! Whew...
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#52 Postby JPmia » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:37 pm

You mean they are trending together. We shall see at 11pm or so if that will remain.
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#53 Postby tim_in_ga » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:38 pm

Actually they appear to be getting more focused on the same area, as opposed to shifting east or west. To me, when you take the average of all plots, they still keep ending up in the same place.
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#54 Postby smashmode » Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:44 pm

Will it continue to shift west..to mobile?
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