Tropical Depression Barry Main Thread

[cpdaman]

like WXMAN said earlier yesterday when it had a better defined LLC with storms closer to the center

the recon reports were more representative of a tropical storm because of it's organization allowed for the standard reduction in winds toward the surface

this morning with a BARE LLC and no storms around it and LOOKING extra tropical the reduction in winds are 50%, so in reality no the tropical storm winds really didn't accompany the LLC as it headed inland this morning, they were found on parts of the east coast i.e bouy 41012 40mph sustained winds gusts to 50

[miamicanes177]

I'm not sure why anyone would argue about this being a tropical storm at landfall. NHC experts said it was, and we have people on this board who live in florida reporting tropical storm force winds. Fact789 is in st. pete and this morning reported "toential rain and TS force winds".

[DrewFL]

No official landfall site? Or is it just going to be considered the Tampa area?

[cycloneye]

COASTAL WATERS FORECAST FOR NORTHEAST FLORIDA/SOUTHEAST GEORGIA
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL
1053 AM EDT SAT JUN 2 2007

ATLANTIC COASTAL WATERS FROM ALTAMAHA SOUND GA TO FLAGLER BEACH FL
OUT TO 60 NM

AMZ452-454-022300-
/O.CON.KJAX.GL.W.0007.000000T0000Z-070603T0600Z/
/O.CON.KJAX.TO.A.0330.000000T0000Z-070602T1900Z/
FERNANDINA BEACH TO ST AUGUSTINE FL OUT 20 NM-
ST AUGUSTINE TO FLAGLER BEACH FL OUT 20 NM-
1053 AM EDT SAT JUN 2 2007

...GALE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH LATE TONIGHT...
...TORNADO WATCH 330 REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 3 PM EDT THIS
AFTERNOON...

.TODAY...EAST WINDS 25 TO 30 KNOTS WITH FREQUENT GUSTS TO 35
KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET. INLAND WATERS ROUGH. SHOWERS AND
ISOLATED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH POSSIBLE WATERSPOUTS.
.TONIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 25 TO 30 KNOTS BECOMING NORTHWEST 20
KNOTS AFTER MIDNIGHT. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET SUBSIDING TO 5 TO 7 FEET
AFTER MIDNIGHT. INLAND WATERS ROUGH. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS.
.SUNDAY...NORTHWEST WINDS 15 KNOTS BECOMING SOUTHWEST 10 TO 15
KNOTS IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 3 TO 5 FEET. INLAND WATERS A MODERATE
CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.SUNDAY NIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.MONDAY...SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.MONDAY NIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.TUESDAY...SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 4 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.TUESDAY NIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET.
INLAND WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.WEDNESDAY...SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.WEDNESDAY NIGHT...SOUTHWEST WINDS 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 FEET. INLAND
WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.

[JonathanBelles]

I have the same question Drew.


Why is the pressure still droping?

[cpdaman]

ok fine you get to say you had a tropical storm

i think the important thing that we CAN agree on is the majority of the state is getting benefical rain at the cost of isolated flooding and a few wind gusts to 50

[miamicanes177]

fact789 did you experience tropical storm winds?

[JonathanBelles]

Yes for about 10-20 mins during that last rainband sustained to 40mph maybe higher, gusts to 50mph

[Extremeweatherguy]

Not that bad of a storm, but it is bringing lots of rain to the state..and that is the good thing. Wind-wise, the highest reports I can find are in the 30-50mph range (gusts) across the state. Seems like the highest reports are also coming from the east coast and not the west coast due to less friction as the inflow blows into the state from that direction. Overall, this was a pretty typical weak TS landfall. It is very rare that a weak TS (below 50mph) produces sustained TS force winds except possibly at the immediate coast...and it looks like the same was true this time.

[SpringHill]

Sun is out now and temps are starting to climb. Denis Philips mentioned last night this could be the second part of the storm aspect as the sun destablizes a moist atmosphere to create thunderstorms.

We'll see. We've had good rains, but not as much as St. Pete. Officially here 2.65" total (counting yesterday).

[JonathanBelles]

[cpdaman]

the LLC came across /very near clearwater beach at 836 this morning

out of all the bouys in the area it is the only one with winds over 30 mph (32mph) for a six minute interval between only

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=cwbf1

after this the pressure rose from 29.52 but the winds stayed from a southerly direction

other short term wind increases were noticed at other bouys in the area but of short duration and less winds

i THINK the brief high winds were from the SQUALL LINE that moved through the tampa-clearwater area around 8 this morning


bouy 41012 on the NE coast of florida had been experiencing tropical storm winds for over an hour and now are 1mph from sustained tropical storm force http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41012


p.s 4.10 inches of rain in west boca (very nice)

[DrewFL]

the LLC came across /very near clearwater beach at 836 this morning

out of all the bouys in the area it is the only one with winds over 30 mph (32mph) for a six minute interval between only

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=cwbf1

after this the pressure rose from 29.52 but the winds stayed from a southerly direction

other short term wind increases were noticed at other bouys in the area but of short duration and less winds

i THINK the brief high winds were from the SQUALL LINE that moved through the tampa-clearwater area around 8 this morning


bouy 41012 on the NE coast of florida had been experiencing tropical storm winds for over an hour and now are 1mph from sustained tropical storm force http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41012


p.s 4.10 inches of rain in west boca (very nice)

Thanks for the information. 5.6 inches of rain in Stuart.

[tbstorm]

i THINK the brief high winds were from the SQUALL LINE that moved through the tampa-clearwater area around 8 this morning

Yes I agree. The only significant winds I experienced was when the bow echo came across St. Pete, Tampa Bay about 9am. I saw a few brief gusts, couple of small banches broken off the trees, so I am estimating 35-40 mph gusts based on the Beaufort Scale. I'm right on the bay so I'd get higher winds anyway.

Interestingly, when the "center" came ashore, we had a real loud thunderstorm with lots of lightning.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Look like Barry could do what Alberto did last year: by becoming an extratropical gale area that is stronger than he was at peak TS strength. Should be interesting to watch it's evolution over the next 48 - 72 hr. As noted in the discussion below it is already clearly transitioning:

000
WTNT42 KNHC 021443
TCDAT2
TROPICAL DEPRESSION BARRY DISCUSSION NUMBER 4
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022007
1100 AM EDT SAT JUN 02 2007

SATELLITE IMAGERY...RADAR...SURFACE DATA AND INFORMATION FROM AN AIR
FORCE RECONNAISSANCE PLANE INDICATE THAT THE CENTER OF BARRY HAS
BECOME ELONGATED AND HAS REACHED THE FLORIDA WEST COAST IN THE
VICINITY OF THE TAMPA BAY. THE WINDS NEAR THE CENTER HAVE DIMINISHED
TO BELOW TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH AND THE CYCLONE HAS BEEN
DOWNGRADED TO TROPICAL DEPRESSION STATUS. BARRY IS EXPECTED TO
BECOME FULLY EXTRATROPICAL LATER TODAY AFTER CROSSING FLORIDA GIVEN
THE CURRENT STRUCTURE AND THE WIND SHEAR. THE EXTRATROPICAL
TRANSFORMATION HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS.

THE EXTRATROPICAL LOW SHOULD INTENSITY AND IS FORECAST TO PRODUCE
GALE FORCE WINDS ALONG THE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES.

Source: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MI ... 1443.shtml

[cycloneye]

MARINE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
1139 AM EDT SAT JUN 2 2007

AMZ651-671-021615-
/O.CON.KMFL.MA.W.0111.000000T0000Z-070602T1615Z/
1139 AM EDT SAT JUN 2 2007

...A SPECIAL MARINE WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1215 PM EDT...

FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS...
WATERS FROM DEERFIELD BEACH TO OCEAN REEF FL FROM 5 TO 40 NM
EXCLUDING THE TERRITORIAL WATERS OF BAHAMAS OVER ATLANTIC OFFSHORE
WATERS...

AT 1138 AM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE SEVERAL SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A WATERSPOUTS
IN A ROUGH LINE FROM ABOUT 10 MILES EAST OF ELLIOT KEY TO ABOUT 20 MILES
EAST OF FORT LAUDERDALE... MOVING NORTH AT 25 TO 30 MPH. ALSO... ADDITIONAL
SHOWERS IN THE AREA ARE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING WIND GUSTS TO AROUND 35 KNOTS.

MARINERS CAN EXPECT GUSTY WINDS...HIGH WAVES...DANGEROUS LIGHTNING...
AND HEAVY RAINS. BOATERS SHOULD SEEK SAFE HARBOR IMMEDIATELY...UNTIL
THIS STORM PASSES.

THUNDERSTORMS CAN PRODUCE SUDDEN WATERSPOUTS. WATERSPOUTS CAN EASILY
OVERTURN BOATS AND CREATE LOCALLY HAZARDOUS SEAS. SEEK SAFE HARBOR
IMMEDIATELY.

LAT...LON 2535 8018 2525 7995 2598 7963 2611 7996

$$

TINGLER

[Frank2]

Interesting to note the incredible difference between the overall circulation of Barry and Barbara (lower left):

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html

very breezy to windy here overnight - my guess is that the area (central Broward County) had about 3 inches of rain...

[Opal storm]

Lots of rain will be heading up the East Coast.

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/fill_94qwbg.gif

[curtadams]

Interesting to note the incredible difference between the overall circulation of Barry and Barbara (lower left):

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html

very breezy to windy here overnight - my guess is that the area (central Broward County) had about 3 inches of rain...

I'm not entirely sure that should be called "Barry". Barry the tropical storm was formed by and coincident with a large extratropical storm caused by a big divergence in the subtropical jet. That extratropical storm is still there, causing almost all the clouds you're seeing and those strong winds on the E coast of Fl. But, unlike Andrea, it didn't seem like one subtropical storm to me, it seemed like two different storms with little connection after the start. Certainly if you're going to call all that mess "Barry" then you have to say Barry wasn't fully tropical, or even mostly tropical, because all that weather had little to do with the warm-core LLC that came ashore in the Tampa area.

[artist]

Interesting to note the incredible difference between the overall circulation of Barry and Barbara (lower left):

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/browsh.html

very breezy to windy here overnight - my guess is that the area (central Broward County) had about 3 inches of rain...

I'm not entirely sure that should be called "Barry". Barry the tropical storm was formed by and coincident with a large extratropical storm caused by a big divergence in the subtropical jet. That extratropical storm is still there, causing almost all the clouds you're seeing and those strong winds on the E coast of Fl. But, unlike Andrea, it didn't seem like one subtropical storm to me, it seemed like two different storms with little connection after the start. Certainly if you're going to call all that mess "Barry" then you have to say Barry wasn't fully tropical, or even mostly tropical, because all that weather had little to do with the warm-core LLC that came ashore in the Tampa area.

curt - recon went out and sampled the storm thus the reason for naming him. All the criteria were there - closed circulation, warm core, wind speeds, etc.