2018 Tropics: Global Model Runs Discussion (Out to day 16)

[WeatherEmperor]

A closer look at the 12z GFS and ECMWF 240hrs. Main difference is the Euro only goes for EPAC developmeny while the GFS has something in the EPAC and WCaribean.








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[Aric Dunn]

A closer look at the 12z GFS and ECMWF 240hrs. Main difference is the Euro only goes for EPAC developmeny while the GFS has something in the EPAC and WCaribean.








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Thats why I was posting the 500 mb vorticity on the previous page. ICON , GFS, and EUro all have the monsoon trough into the western carrib with increased vorticty. the GFS is the only one that works to the surface. but the simple fact is they all have a large area of convection in the western and NW carrib by around the 10 to 12th of JUne is key. the all 3 develop something in the eastern pacific. SO the 3 models are not all that different.

[TheStormExpert]

I wouldn’t say the three models are inline. The Euro has nothing but high pressure in the Western Caribbean in 10 days.

 https://twitter.com/toddkimberlain/status/1002619984613462016

[Aric Dunn]

I wouldn’t say the three models are inline. The Euro has nothing but high pressure in the Western Caribbean in 10 days.

 https://twitter.com/toddkimberlain/status/1002619984613462016

at the surface yes..

but the three models all have ( like I mentioned and showed) the monsoon trough and deep convection in the western and north western carrib in 8 to 12 days. the GFS is the only model that works something to the surface.. but as we have seen many times before monsoon trough + western carrib plus shear at the beginning typically lead to some sort of development this time of year.

the fact that all three models are not showing development is rather moot at this point this far out.. the important thing is that all three models are inline with the monsoon trough buckling north into the western carrib...

which means its not the gfs making silly spurious lows again.. there is something there in all the models.

[TheStormExpert]

12z Euro Ensembles have nada on the Caribbean side.



12z GFS Ensembles didn’t run on Tropical Tidbits, anyone know what they show?

[LarryWx]

12z Euro Ensembles have nada on the Caribbean side.



12z GFS Ensembles didn’t run on Tropical Tidbits, anyone know what they show?

Similar to earlier GEFS runs with ~5-6 W Car geneses 6/10-11. They all then move N and hit W FL/Panhandle as TD to TSs 6/11-13.

Edit: Next up is the Happy Hour GEFS, which tends to be the most active of the 4 runs in the W Car/Gulf. Yesterday's was.

[Aric Dunn]

18z GFS has a more pronounced monsoon trough..

[LarryWx]

18z GFS has a more pronounced monsoon trough..

The Happy Hour GEFS didn't disappoint as regards its reputation. It has about double the # of TC geneses as the 12Z GEFS and they start on the same day, 6/10, followed by a general track N to FL.

[gatorcane]

18z GFS has a more pronounced monsoon trough..

The Happy Hour GEFS didn't disappoint as regards its reputation. It has about double the # of TC geneses as the 12Z GEFS and they start on the same day, 6/10, followed by a general track N to FL.

Saved 18Z GEFS on June 10th:

[blp]

18z Navgem starting to buy into the idea of action in the NW Caribbean.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.usf.180.troplant.gif

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.prp.180.troplant.gif

[floridasun78]

18z Navgem starting to buy into the idea of action in the NW Caribbean.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.usf.180.troplant.gif

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.prp.180.troplant.gif

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[Weather150]

18z Navgem starting to buy into the idea of action in the NW Caribbean.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.usf.180.troplant.gif

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.prp.180.troplant.gif

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Me as well.

[Weather150]

18z FV3-GFS, forms two systems out of the gyre.

[gatorcane]

18z Navgem starting to buy into the idea of action in the NW Caribbean.

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.usf.180.troplant.gif

https://www.fnmoc.navy.mil/wxmap_cgi/dynamic/NVG/2018060118/nvg10.prp.180.troplant.gif

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Me as well.

Saved 18Z NAVGEM 180 hour image:

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Gfs, navgem, fv3, gefs ensembles on board- could see something in 10 days! Really active pattern- esp with the positive mjo swinging back in at that time frame. I wonder if this season will feature hyperactive homebrew with the mdr being so cold. A month ago who would have thunk Alberto would have happened. Think we will see something like a sheared TS come out of the Caribbean and reach moderate strength like Alberto did.

[La Breeze]

Gfs, navgem, fv3, gefs ensembles on board- could see something in 10 days! Really active pattern- esp with the positive mjo swinging back in at that time frame. I wonder if this season will feature hyperactive homebrew with the mdr being so cold. A month ago who would have thunk Alberto would have happened. Think we will see something like a sheared TS come out of the Caribbean and reach moderate strength like Alberto did.

Tampa Bay Hurricane, where do you think this sheared TS may head and what areas may be impacted? Wondering, because I was going to head to the Keys on the 9th and stay there a week - now, I'm not so sure I want to do that.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Gfs, navgem, fv3, gefs ensembles on board- could see something in 10 days! Really active pattern- esp with the positive mjo swinging back in at that time frame. I wonder if this season will feature hyperactive homebrew with the mdr being so cold. A month ago who would have thunk Alberto would have happened. Think we will see something like a sheared TS come out of the Caribbean and reach moderate strength like Alberto did.

Tampa Bay Hurricane, where do you think this sheared TS may head and what areas may be impacted? Wondering, because I was going to head to the Keys on the 9th and stay there a week - now, I'm not so sure I want to do that.

Don’t cancel your trip . I’m not an expert and my forecast is not official. Follow nhc for your trip. The official forecasts don’t mention anything at this point. But do check the weather.gov forecasts for the Keys the days before your trip.

[northjaxpro]

Good morning. This morning's 06Z GFS shows a significant trough to be in place across the Eastern CONUS in 252 hours, which will help to pull up potential 1008 mb tropical cyclone (Beryl) north/northeast out of the NW Caribbean into the Southeast GOM .

GFS maintains it as a 1006 mb tropical cyclone moving N/NE as it traverses the cyclone over the Florida peninsula from 262- 276 hours June 13.

[TheStormExpert]

 https://twitter.com/mjventrice/status/1002888878683025408

[GCANE]

Interesting how GFS has been consistently developing this as an MCS coming off Honduras and developing into a TC in the West Carib.
I wonder if this is a new tweak into the model.