2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#461 Postby NotSparta » Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:37 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:Whoa, where did King TUTT go? :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/xsHCDkL.png


Western Caribbean it appears
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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#462 Postby REDHurricane » Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:49 am

ScottNAtlanta wrote:Every year around the 1st to the 15th of August when everyone is quite certain that the season is bust, I am always looking at the coast of Africa to see when those winds blowing the dust across the Atlantic start to migrate north, and if you look right now, it is starting to happen. Those huge plumes of dust are aimed more to the north than they were at the beginning of the month. I expect that will continue to progress. That is generally when the MDR "wakes up"


Spot on -- I haven't posted yet so far this Atlantic season because there's been nothing of note to talk about, and that's to be expected. No, there aren't any hurricanes now and there probably won't be any for the next few weeks per usual. Yes, the hurricanes are going to come starting around late August/early September like they always do. Wake me up on August 20th (give or take a week) and then we'll get to the interesting stuff.
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#463 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Tue Jul 29, 2025 9:53 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:Whoa, where did King TUTT go? :eek:

https://i.imgur.com/xsHCDkL.png

Still some hefty shear in the Caribbean, probably partially spurred by EPAC MJO. It will likely subside when it propagates away from there though.
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#464 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:40 pm

Something we haven't seen much of this year:
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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#465 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Tue Jul 29, 2025 4:42 pm

The Euro weeklies is calling for an above avg August overall, especially during the middle of the month:

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/mofc_multi_tcyc_family_frequency?base_time=202507290000&parameter=Accumulated%20cyclone%20energy&valid_time=202509010000
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#466 Postby LarryWx » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:26 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:The Euro weeklies is calling for an above avg August overall, especially during the middle of the month:

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/mofc_multi_tcyc_family_frequency?base_time=202507290000&parameter=Accumulated%20cyclone%20energy&valid_time=202509010000


My rough estimate of ACE progged by today’s Euro Weeklies:

Aug 4-10: 3
Aug 11-17: 8
Aug 18-24: 11-12
Aug 25-31: 13-14

These 4 weeks would add to ~36, meaning a notably more active than active era normal for August should today’s EW verify closely.

Since the active era began, 6 Augusts (1995-6, 1998-2000, and 2004) had significantly >36 ACE, while 18 had significantly <36. That leaves 6 Augusts fairly close to 36 (say 31-41): 2005, 2007, 2010, 2012, 2021, and 2023.

After those 6 Augusts, how was each Sept vs 1995-2024 climo? 2005, 2010, 2021, and 2023 were active while 2007 was inactive and 2012 was near avg.

How were the Octs? 2005, 2010, and 2012 were above avg while 2021 and 2023 were near avg and 2007 was quiet.

Other than hoping for another 2007, this isn’t encouraging for someone who wants an inactive season, especially considering the progged weak La Niña per RONI.
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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#467 Postby NotSparta » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:50 am

I remember last year there was a count of the total waves each season showing how 2024 was falling behind. I wonder how that looks now
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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#468 Postby StormWeather » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:53 am

NotSparta wrote:I remember last year there was a count of the total waves each season showing how 2024 was falling behind. I wonder how that looks now

Unfortunately we don’t have a wave thread this year, otherwise we might have known.
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#469 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:04 am

NotSparta wrote:I remember last year there was a count of the total waves each season showing how 2024 was falling behind. I wonder how that looks now


Hey Alex. Found what you were looking for, how many tropical waves have been introduced so far in 2025 and the countdown is at #25 with the one in Eastern Atlantic. This met from Venezuela Esteban Perdomo has done this for the past few years. Look at his account at X. I was lazy to start the waves thread. :D

https://x.com/EstebanWXcast

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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#470 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:19 am

The Saharan air Layer in general has not been too dense like the 2020 one. Read Lowrys message.

https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/p/sa ... -show-this

 https://x.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1950582044133576825

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Re: 2025 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#471 Postby StormWeather » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:24 am

cycloneye wrote:The Saharan air Layer in general has not been too dense like the 2020 one. Read Lowrys message.

https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/p/sa ... -show-this

 https://x.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1950582044133576825


That’s ominous. How’s the Hadley cell doing? Because the MDR sucked in 2020 due to a stretched out cell, only allowing one deep tropics major in Teddy.
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#472 Postby NotSparta » Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:18 pm

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cycloneye wrote:The Saharan air Layer in general has not been too dense like the 2020 one. Read Lowrys message.

https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/p/sa ... -show-this

 https://x.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1950582044133576825


That’s ominous. How’s the Hadley cell doing? Because the MDR sucked in 2020 due to a stretched out cell, only allowing one deep tropics major in Teddy.


It's been stretched out basically every year this decade aside from 2023 (Nino year), does not appear to be any different in 2025
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#473 Postby StormWeather » Wed Jul 30, 2025 6:26 pm

NotSparta wrote:
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cycloneye wrote:The Saharan air Layer in general has not been too dense like the 2020 one. Read Lowrys message.

https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/p/sa ... -show-this

 https://x.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1950582044133576825


That’s ominous. How’s the Hadley cell doing? Because the MDR sucked in 2020 due to a stretched out cell, only allowing one deep tropics major in Teddy.


It's been stretched out basically every year this decade aside from 2023 (Nino year), does not appear to be any different in 2025

So how will that affect this season? I noticed that the Saharan dust is at its lowest on record. I saw something about 2020 and dust, and I presume that 2020 had pretty prolific dust outbreaks?
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#474 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:01 pm

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#475 Postby LarryWx » Wed Jul 30, 2025 9:41 pm

Though 8/4-10 dropped due to no support likely partially related to little support for the current MDR AEW, the Euro Weeklies are slightly more ominous than yesterday’s for August’s ACE as a whole: :eek:

% of 2005-24 averages:
8/4-10: 80% (slightly lower than yest.)
8/11-17: 190% (slightly higher than yest.)
8/18-24: 210% (much higher than yest.)
8/25-31: 110% (same as yest)

Taken as a whole, these probably imply a prog of ~38 ACE for next month fwiw. Please don’t shoot the innocent messenger!
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#476 Postby chaser1 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 1:57 am

cycloneye wrote:Webb's updated forecast.

 https://x.com/webberweather/status/1948151595952132487



Hmmm, is it just me or did Webb seem um...... out of character??
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#477 Postby NotSparta » Thu Jul 31, 2025 2:05 am

LarryWx wrote:Though 8/4-10 dropped due to no support likely partially related to little support for the current MDR AEW, the Euro Weeklies are slightly more ominous than yesterday’s for August’s ACE as a whole: :eek:

% of 2005-24 averages:
8/4-10: 80% (slightly lower than yest.)
8/11-17: 190% (slightly higher than yest.)
8/18-24: 210% (much higher than yest.)
8/25-31: 110% (same as yest)

Taken as a whole, these probably imply a prog of ~38 ACE for next month fwiw. Please don’t shoot the innocent messenger!


Not trying to shoot the messenger lol but do keep in mind these really did not do well last year. The drop inside 2 weeks but high values outside of it is a red flag. Wouldn't be surprised if next time this week we see the 8/11-17 come down too
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